It's fine if they want to charge for the course and allow members to get it for free - that's typical and expected. I would have to check NICET's policy on CPD credits again but I believe a course would be either for credit or not. This would not be unlike me hosting a seminar on some facet of our industry, making it a free and public event, having some local competitors take advantage of the training and telling them it's good for CEU credit to everyone except them unless they want to pay for it. I'm not at liberty to do that - either the course is good for credit or it isn't. Whether or not you paid for the course is irrelevant in my opinion.
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> wrote: > These are private entities, corporations if you will, and can do what they > please. Free to members and not free to outsiders is not unheard of in any > arena. I pay dues to the Y and can use any facility anytime, ger "free" > towels, etc., while non-members must pay, and only have that privilege as a > member's invited guest. Same principle. They could say, "Free to members, > all others cut bait." > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Matt Grise <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Maybe they are just trying to be nice by allowing people to learn for > > free. They do have overhead burden (technology and administration) that > is > > associated with putting an event like that. The members pay for it with > > their dues. > > > > It is also difficult to track and process payments for everyone who > > watches (which can be more than one person per computer). It is much > easier > > to track the people who contact them and ask for a certificate. You could > > think of it as paying for the time and effort to send proof of the > credit. > > Or you could contact them and volunteer to do all of that work for free. > > Then they might be more inclined to make it actually free. > > > > Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II > > Sales Engineer > > Alliance Fire Protection > > 130 w 9th Ave. > > North Kansas City, MO 64116 > > > > *Licensed in KS & MO > > > > 913.888.0647 ph > > 913.888.0618 f > > 913.927.0222 cell > > www. AFPsprink.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of IPA > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:10 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Buying CEUs??? > > > > The webinar is free to all - anyone can attend. If you want CEU credit > you > > pay, which amounts to selling credits. I don't mind paying for an > > accredited course but when someone says it's free and that it qualifies > for > > credit only if you pay - then I have a problem with the principle of it. > If > > they want to charge a processing fee for an embroidered certificate > mailed > > to your door that's one thing but it's completely unnecessary as an email > > confirmation verifying attendance and stating the CEU's will suffice as > > proof. > > > > > > ...just my rant... > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > The members are paying for it with their dues, just like the AFSA > members > > > pay for this board with their dues. Think of it as a processing fee. > > Some > > > one has to fill out the certificate and send it to you. It is done for > > > members as a membership benefit for no additional costs to the member. > > > However, for non-members, they have to pay the processing fee to have > > the > > > CEU certificates issued. Do you still get to 'attend' the webinar for > > free > > > if you are not a member? > > > > > > > > > On 3/16/2012 8:47 AM, IPA wrote: > > > > > >> Can someone explain to me how it's legit to sell CEU's when there is > a > > >> "free" class that qualifies for CEU credits but if you're not a member > > you > > >> have to pay for the credits after the class? Case in point, the > Society > > >> for > > >> Fire Protection Engineers is hosting a free webinar which qualifies > for > > >> CEU > > >> credit - IF you're a member. Non-members must pay $25 to receive > > credit.* > > >> * > > >> * > > >> * > > >> * > > >> > > >> * > > >> Quoted from Fire Protection Engineering Magazine: > > >> > > >> CEUs Available > > >> > > >> The Society of Fire Protection Engineers will be providing attendees > 0.1 > > >> CEUs for participating in the entire LIVE webinar. Current SFPE > members > > >> will recieve CEU's "*free of charge*". 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