And Ken's office looks pretty big from the photo I saw. On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:06 AM, ParsleyConsulting < [email protected]> wrote:
> I've offered to review plans electronically for several years now, and I > like it more and more every time a contractor elects to do so. Using > Acrobat it allows me to not only mark electronically those things I see > that don't conform to the standard and show the designer/submitter where > those problems exist. Yes, I could certainly do those same things with > hard paper copies, and still do for that matter. The biggest advantage to > me is the money saved for my clients, and the space saving for me. > > For one of my plan review clients the requirement is to submit six copies > of the plans and calculations, as well as two copies of the material > submittals. Add to that the single copy of both that I want for my files > if I ever have to discuss what I reviewed and recommended for approval, and > you're looking at a substantial amount of paper, all of which might be > completely worthless if the review comments are significant. There are any > number of inexpensive Acrobat clone programs which install easily on a > computer and can create PDF's as simply as the plotters used by CAD > systems, including plot color, linewidth, screening and all the other > graphic features allowable from the drafting programs. Calculations and > material submittals can also be prepared and transmitted in this manner. > > At that point it's no different than if I have prints and paper copies. I > work through the review process following my checklist in the same method, > marking up the plans electronically, making comments in a list of items to > be corrected, and then generating a revision requirement list, then I call > or e-mail the submitter and let them know it's done and if they need > revisions/resubmittal. If they need to make revisions, the process is > repeated until the plans are in conformance. > > Scott, this is where I think you stopped short a step or two. At that > point it's their responsibility to bring me a hard copy of everything I've > been reviewing so that I can stamp them and send them along. That does > indeed generate an approved, stamped, physical set for use in inspection > and installation. I might also mention that they also need to bring/send a > "final" electronic set for my records. It doesn't cost me a cent in > plotting, printing or copying, and if there are a number of submittals > required it saves the contractor/designer the costs of repeated plotting, > printing and copying. > > The great advantage for me is that I can keep a significant number of > electronic submittals without renting a storage facility. If I had to keep > all the plans/calcs/submittals I reviewed my office would be filled to the > ceiling with paper and there'd be no room for me. > > I don't see the downside. > > PARSLEY CONSULTING > > Ken Wagoner, SET > > 760.745.6181 voice > > 760.745.0537 fax > > [email protected] > <mailto:ParsleyConsulting@cox.**net<[email protected]> > >e-mail > > www.ParsleyConsulting.com > <http://www.ParsleyConsulting.**com<http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com> > >website > > > > On 5/15/2012 8:49 PM, AKS-Gmail-IMAP wrote: > >> I've seen this done, done it myself, fooled with Windows to get the image >> to show the screen properly and I've been involved in mounting these things >> to a wall. The experience was awkward in every respect. First of all with >> my eyes having to switch from focusing at different distances is not >> desirable. I would need an extra hand to be constantly taking my glasses >> off and putting them back on. So for me that is a huge consideration. >> >> Mounting these things on a wall is no easy task and you are guaranteed to >> find out you have put it at the wrong height and distance for the task you >> have in mind. I've never seen one at the right height, which should be >> low enough so that your head is not cocked up at an angle. It's not like >> your watching a movie at home or sports in a bar. I've seen many an >> installation, incidentally by people who should have known better, where >> the power and data outlets on the wall or the monitor's mounting location >> had to be redone a few times to get the bracket mounting hardware to work >> right. >> >> The best wall arrangements I've seen involve actual ceiling mounted >> projectors, but you are not going to be able to walk up to the image, >> though I am not sure walking up to the image is a benefit. >> >> I personally use a dual monitor setup when I have to view PDFs. In that >> arrangement I'll use Adobe Acrobat which I keep setup with the Loupe tool >> icon on the toolbar for this very task. The overall plan would be visible >> on one monitor. The contents of the Loupe window would be on the other >> monitor. Adobe's loupe tool functions well and Windows seems to be able to >> remember to show the loupe contents on the second monitor. It's not as good >> as as full size paper of course. I could see using this method with dual >> ceiling projectors showing the images on a bank wall. >> >> I have seen whole sets of construction plans in PDF format presented from >> an iPad onto large format wall mounted screens. Navigating through the >> plans using the iPad's touch screen interface to zoom in and out or to >> flick through pages was quite impressive compared to the mouse fumbling one >> typically sees. >> >> Allan Seidel >> St. Louis, MO >> >> >> >> >> On May 15, 2012, at 9:38 PM, Ralphy Henderson wrote: >> >> >>> >>> --- On Wed, 5/16/12, Scott A Futrell <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> From: Scott A Futrell <[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: Projector for viewing PDF's? >>> To: "sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org<[email protected]>" >>> <sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org <[email protected]>> >>> Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 1:52 AM >>> >>> Agreed. If they don't submit paper copies of plans, calcs, and product >>> data it doesn't get reviewed. You can't perform inspections without a >>> plan, they need a copy back with comments, and I need a copy for my files >>> and there is no reason for me to pay for the cost of plotting, printing and >>> copying. >>> >>> Scott Futrell >>> >>> (763) 425-1001 Office >>> (612) 759-5556 Cell >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: >>> sprinklerforum-bounces@**firesprinkler.org<[email protected]>[mailto: >>> sprinklerforum-**[email protected]<[email protected]>] >>> On Behalf Of njarendt tds.net >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:49 PM >>> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org<[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Projector for viewing PDF's? >>> >>> If they do not submit blueprints at 1/8:1 I do not review them. If a >>> contractpor wants to buy us a wide screen and a plotter then we might >>> reconsider. >>> >>> Norm >>> >>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Ralphy Henderson >>> <[email protected]>**wrote: >>> >>> I'm considering something and want to get people's opinion on this. >>>> Seeing how a lot of contractors these days aren't issuing a set of >>>> blueprints and are instead sending out PDF files, and in an effort to >>>> diminish printing costs, I'm considering purchasing a projector >>>> connected to the computer to display PDF's full size on the office >>>> wall above my monitor. Sure I won't be able to tab things, highlight, >>>> or scale them out with my scales but PDF software generally allows for >>>> all that stuff now in the software. 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