Oddly enough, retail fireworks in a display setting are only an OH2 risk- we did substantial research into our first one, have done several for a guy with a chain, and since he only stores 6' high in the back, it's all OH2. Sure we know we're only going to control a non-firecracker fire, hopefully before the fireworks catch fire, but at least so far as protecting per the I-Codes, all we saw was OH2.
Sure you COULD protect it with UV detection and pre-primed nozzles, but understand his competitors are selling out of a tent. If they store their fireworks in the back to 16', that doesn't fit with OH2, but that's not what we had. Wouldn't surprise me if the others are bidding the whole store OH2 and excluding protection above 12' high.....hence no other questions. I'd look at what FM required in grocery stores, maybe .25/2500 in stock areas, as an informed guide to what's reasonable. Believe their corresponding retail area was .15/2500. Specify what you include and qualify your bid so you don't just sit and watch the bidding process pass you by waiting for info that won't be coming. George L. Church, Jr., CET Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Morey, Mike Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:47 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Grocery Store commodity classifications Ohio and even moreso Indiana yes, and sparklers which are the most common even in restrictive areas are actually extremely dangerous when tightly packed together as they'd be found in a display. A big enough bundle of them will go up like thermite. At least in a couple month window around the 4th of July and New Years in Indiana (I don't remember them being so prevalent in Ohio around that time) Mike Morey, SET, CFPS Sprinkler Designer BMW Constructors, Inc. O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111 www.bmwc.com ________________________________ From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org on behalf of Bruce Verhei Sent: Wed 6/20/2012 12:44 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Grocery Store commodity classifications All Are fireworks sales in grocery stores common in some areas? Bruce Sent from my Motorola ATRIX(tm) 4G on AT&T -----Original message----- From: "Cahill, Christopher" <ccah...@burnsmcd.com> To: "sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org" <sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org> Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 12:33:58 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Grocery Store commodity classifications Let's see - aerosol's, plastics, flammable liquids, maybe some propane, fireworks and encapsulated commodities all found in most stores I've been in. When 6' shelves OH II is common. I've done some local areas of HPS for the bulk items encapsulated class III (27 packs of paper towels). If the whole thing is really say 16' rack storage I don't know how you go less than plastics. Chris Cahill, PE* Senior Fire Protection Engineer, Aviation & Facilities Group Burns & McDonnell 8201 Norman Center Drive Bloomington, MN 55437 Phone: 952.656.3652 Fax: 952.229.2923 ccah...@burnsmcd.com www.burnsmcd.com Proud to be one of FORTUNE's 100 Best Companies to Work For *Registered in: MN -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:13 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Grocery Store commodity classifications Lots of different commodities. Probably have to work with more than set of criteria. You need to get more details from them. At 07:59 AM 6/20/2012, you wrote: >I am working on a grocery store and they will be utilizing rack storage >less than 20'. I have no information on the stored commodity, I am >looking for direction on what classification of commodity others have >used as a basis of design. > > > > > >-- >Craig Leadbetter >Safeguard of Marquette >PO Box 116 >Marquette, MI 49855 > >(O) 906-475-9955 >(F) 906-475-5474 >(C) 906-362-5393 > >craigleadbet...@gmail.com >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >scrubbed... >URL: ><http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attac >hments/20120620/2ef1604b/attachment.html> >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum Todd G. 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