I like the foreign material on the system argument. If we can call out telephone wire aqnd suspended safes why not frisbees?
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Cahill, Christopher <[email protected]>wrote: > I'd flag it under NFPA 25 '10 - 5.2.1. Plenty in there like foreign > materials or in the wrong orientation (because the plate implies it's too > far down from the actual ceiling and should be upright based on the BL > location, OK, maybe that's weak). You have no idea if it was AHJ approved > condition before you got there. If you do as Ron suggested I'd use 5.2.1 > as you did a deficient inspection as that section tells you exactly what to > look for at the sprinkler, there is foreign material hanging from part of > the sprinkler. Don't get me wrong I see where Ron is going for other > things that are not mentioned like suspected small pipe size, incorrect > density and incorrect spacing. > > Not sure I agree with Steve's using of the critical definition generically > as a trump card for everything. First, some other section must identify > what you are looking for then you'd use the definitions to establish an > impairment, critical or non-critical deficiency? Is this a deficiency? > Yes under 5.2.1. Is it an impairment, no. Is it a deficiency? Yes but I > don't know which level as I don't have details. Short room you are probably > in the jet and it won't make a difference. Tall space you may be in the > plume and might make a bigger difference. In the end I'd never put my name > on it as OK. > > What did you mean they were accepted? Just because an ahj agreed doesn't > mean they were ever acceptable by the code. And many moons ago I'm sure > there were plenty of AHJ that said no. I seem to only have come across in > places that have limited oversight. I've seen them on system's installed > in the last 5 years. > > Chris Cahill, PE* > Senior Fire Protection Engineer, Aviation & Facilities Group > Burns & McDonnell > 8201 Norman Center Drive > Bloomington, MN 55437 > Phone: 952.656.3652 > Fax: 952.229.2923 > [email protected] > www.burnsmcd.com > > Proud to be one of FORTUNE's 100 Best Companies to Work For > *Registered in: MN > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 11:26 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: NFPA 25 inspection of sprinklers with heat collector plates > installed > > Gregg, > > I'd make one of those "not part of the inspection" comments, but an area > of potential concerne and do the "recommendation of an engineer's review." > > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Gregg Key <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Forum, if you were inspecting a building and found some pendant > > sprinklers with the "heat collectors" installed, would you write it up > > as a deficiency and why? > > > > Many moons ago they were accepted but later research proved they did > > not work. > > > > C.Gregg Key, SET > > Key Fire Protection Services,Inc > > Project Manager > > (O) 706-790-3473 > > (C) 706-220-8821 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. Yakima Ave. > Tacoma, WA 98405 > > [email protected] > > http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ > > 253.680.7346 > 253.576.9700 (cell) > > Member: > ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC > > They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis > Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20120802/ac39cc84/attachment.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20120802/52ef1513/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
