George, you've done it again... made it all clear for all of us! Hear, hear!
David Toshio Williams, FPE, LEED-AP O+M LHB, Inc. | PERFORMANCE DRIVEN DESIGN -----Original Message----- From: George Church [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Project Specifications If we were writing Code, someone would have yelled out "Undefinable" and we wouldn't have put it in the document. If the firm issuing this is competent, I don't see a problem. They're just as frustrated trying to educate some unwashed contractors as we are in trying to educate some plumbing PEs with fatal errors in their docs. If they're not a competent FPE house, then RLH. George L. Church, Jr., CET Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Project Specifications Or perhaps less than normal assistance can be billed extra. I asked for a small soda at the Burger King. I was informed that they didn't have have small, only large and "regular." I asked what size "regular was and was told it's like a medium. So I said, "Then that would be between a large and a small size?" She replied yes. I said well then I want the small one regular is bigger than. She said regular was the smallest they had. I don't know of any manuals instructing contractors to bury the job ib RFIs, and so I'll accept that they exist on David's word, but what's excessive? We have a Sesame Street predicament here. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Bruce Verhei <[email protected]> wrote: > Another way to view this is that words should not be interpreted to > have a ridiculous meaning. That "excessive" assistance will be back > charged makes clear that normal amount of assistance will not be back charged. > > Bv > > Sent from my Motorola ATRIXT 4G on AT&T > > -----Original message----- > From: "Failla, Daniel" <[email protected]> > To: "'[email protected]'" > <[email protected] > > > Sent: Tue, Nov 6, 2012 14:36:58 GMT+00:00 > Subject: RE: Project Specifications > > So are Architects/General Contractor going to start back charging for > RFI's? I have had projects with 8 RFI's because of issues with the > bid documents and the classic statement on the drawing, "Contractor > shall not deviate without written approval." > > Dan Failla > Our Town Fire Sprinkler Designs > Charleston, SC FMO > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:16 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Project Specifications > > Found something new in a FP spec that I think is worth sharing. Spec's > are copyrighted by a nationally known FP consultant. > > "Excessive assistance provided by the Architect/General Contractor to > the Contractor, at the Contractor's request, shall be at cost to the > Contractor, via back charge, ..." And it goes on to say that just > because they charged for the assistance it doesn't "imply direction or > approval". > > It's odd that there is no "Excessive Interference" clause. > > Ron Fletcher > Aero - Phoenix > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: < > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attac > hments/20121106/0ba4ae81/attachment.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20121106/6ec0ff8d/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
