You a 'ttorney? I'd be more concerned about people stackin' risers, slingin' pipe, and turnin' wrenches! Sounds like there ain't much work gettin' done! Hopefully they're puttin' grooved fittins' in them riser stacks!
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 PM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>wrote: > Memo To: Everyone in our industry who is alive and being held to the > Earth's surface by gravity (as personified by Brad) > > In Re To: "head makers" > > In reference to the appliances that discharge water in fire suppression > systems, let it be known that there is no such thing as a "head" or "head > maker" or "sprinkler head" in any context, except when referring to or > describing pressure, both positive and negative. The term "sprinkler > head" - which is and has been used for the entirety of recorded history as > we know it - is not a defined term. As such, there is no such thing as a > "sprinkler head" and therefore, no such entity or group of stake-holders as > "head makers", lest you be referring to fire pumps, plural/inclusive. > We've all done it, said it, used it, myself included but there is no such > thing as a sprinkler head. > > Let's all start referring to them as "sprinklers" or "fire sprinklers" ... > > SML > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] on behalf of Brad > Casterline > Sent: Thu 2/27/2014 8:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Interstitial Space Sprinklers > > Since it will come down to leaving the uprights alone or replacing them > with a plug, and the latest technological thinking of the head makers is > that they should never be re-installed anywhere if they have been tampered > with, I would leave them, and CALL them plugs ;) > > > On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:43 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > An instance of AHJ "taste"? > > > >> On Feb 27, 2014, at 8:57 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> I will take the contrarian side and say although you all are correct I > think it applies to under-designed and in this case if the above compliment > was left it would be over-designed. > >> > >>> On Feb 27, 2014, at 8:41 PM, "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Richard hit it with, "Any device that has the physical appearance of > life > >>> safety or fire > >>> protection equipment...." This is the key. Unused stuff that isn't life > >>> safety in appearance need not be removed if non-functional, but if life > >>> safety it has to come out or, as Todd said, needs to be in full > compliance, > >>> whether required or not. So if it's life safety stuff and not required > it > >>> can stay or go as long as it works properly, but if out of compliance > it > >>> must be right or it must go. > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Then you would have to make it right or take it out. If a system is > >>>> installed, it has to be per code, whether it is required or not > >>>> > >>>> Todd G Williams, PE > >>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting > >>>> Stonington, CT > >>>> 860-535-2080 > >>>> www.fpdc.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Steven Cook <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Depending on placement of the full height walls, it is possible some > of > >>>> these existing heads could now be positioned as exceeding the maximum > >>>> distance from walls..... > >>>>> > >>>>> Steve > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: > >>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd - > Work > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:44 PM > >>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>> Subject: Re: Interstitial Space Sprinklers > >>>>> > >>>>> However, if the upright sprinklers are still connected and > operational, > >>>> why wold they need to be taken out? If some of the existing heads are > >>>> removed and the outlets used as drops (without installing new > uprights), > >>>> then all of the uprights in that area should be removed. > >>>>> > >>>>> Todd G Williams, PE > >>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting > >>>>> Stonington, CT > >>>>> www.fpdc.com > >>>>> 860-535-2080 (ofc) > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Richard Lindner < > [email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Based on prior discussions here, this is a cited reference (IFC 2012 > >>>>>> 901.4.5) if applicable. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Any device that has the physical appearance of life safety or fire > >>>>>> protection equipment but that does not perform that life safety or > >>>>>> fire protection function shall be prohibited" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Steven Cook < > [email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We have a fit-out project of an existing core / shell condition > >>>> building. > >>>>>>> Beam and girder construction, all noncombustible. Existing > >>>>>>> sprinkler coverage is average 10 x 12 spacing for the open space. > >>>>>>> Accounting for beam and other MEP obstructions as required, etc. > The > >>>>>>> contract drawings are depicting new branch line piping supplying > the > >>>> sprinklers at the ACT > >>>>>>> ceilings. Deck at 15 feet, new ceilings range from 8'6" to 10 > feet. > >>>> They > >>>>>>> currently depict the existing upright heads to remain. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I believe the existing heads are 165 F, but need to verify. It's > the > >>>>>>> ground floor of a multi-story building (so not at an un-insulated > >>>> roof). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Although the heads are not required, is there a requirement to > remove > >>>> the > >>>>>>> existing upright heads? 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