If they are anything like the ones in Reno in '78 Steve they start out being a comfortable little alcove in a casino and end up being steel separating me from uniformed peace keepers.
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 1:49 PM, "Steve Leyton" <[email protected]> wrote: > > What are these "bars" that Mr. Fairchild speaks of? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of rongreenman . > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 11:43 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Hibachi grills > > Sorry Jack, but Ron doesn't do Vegas. Bangkok yes, but Vegas no. Go figure...? > > >> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Fairchild, Jack < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> "and a good shot of single malt or a quality mezcal. That's a hint >> should any of you ever happen to be where I am and there's a bar close by" >> >> Will you be at the NFPA conference in Vegas next week? I hear there's >> a few bars in the area. >> >> Jack Fairchild >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of rongreenman . >> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 2:32 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Hibachi grills >> >> The plenum/duct interface is the most dangerous place in the >> hood/plenum/duct assembly but it's a Class I Hood System >> (combustible/flammable vapors) and so weld sealed along it's entire >> length. Mechanical codes require that the duct be insulation wrapped >> under certain circumstances (this is a Drucker for sure, I've only >> seen this wrapping in high-rise and within concealed spaces, but I >> hesitate to say that's the "WHY" as I've never studied cod on this). >> This sounds like you are required to either have sprinklers in the >> plenum (which would necessitate a penetration--bad juju), or that they >> want the area outside the duct/plenum interface protected for the >> probably "happened once and we're damned sure not gonna have that >> happen again" fire solution. The route of greasy vapors is collected >> by the hood and then enters the hood duct system which is a separate >> fire area until it encounters some sort of air scrubber or exits the >> building (a minimum ten feet from any property line). I love cooking, >> eating, cooking history, recipes, cooking fires, both controlled and >> not, and cooking/restaurant fire protection. And a good shot of single >> malt or a quality mezcal. That's a hint should any of you ever happen >> to be where I am and there's a bar close by }:-P >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Steve Mackinnon >> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Ron. >>> The exhaust duct reduces to a third of its size within the plenum >>> (above the grill hood), and the mechanical code is locating the >>> upright heads outside of the duct in the cavity created by the >>> reduction. These upright heads will be ineffective controlling a >>> fire as >> they are strangely located. >>> I get the feeling that the mechanical code is looking for that last >>> ditch effect to put water on an uncontrollable fire... >>> >>> Thank you >>> Steven >>> >>> Steven MacKinnon >>> Fire Protection Division >>> Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. >>> 850 South Second Street >>> Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 >>> Office 631-580-2300 Fax – 631-580-1090 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of >> rongreenman . >>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 2:03 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Hibachi grills >>> >>> There's provision for sprinklers (and has always been as far back as >>> I >>> go) for sprinklers in hoods. This is an alternative to CO2, or wet >>> or dry chem, or any other acceptable protection method for >>> commercial >> cooking hoods. >>> Look at 13-10.Figure A.7.10.2. FYI: a hibachi in Japan is a box with >>> charcoal that's placed under the table (think table at floor level >>> with a hole under it for your feet and legs) that is then covered >>> with a quilt that also covers the diners' legs and is used to keep >>> the lower extremities warm during mealtimes on cold days (think >>> paper walls and no heating system with snow outside). That morphed >>> into a small table top grill similar to a Little Smokey but made out >>> of cast iron (original hibachis were wooden boxes filled with sand). >>> The grills used in a Beni Hana type teppan (cooking style type like >>> stir fry or teriyaki or tempura)) restaurant is a flat grill and so >>> by definition, for our purposes, is a flat grill cooktop and so >>> falls into the hazard of grease in depth, along with deep fat fryers >>> and tilting tray skillets. You cannot use sprinklers to protect this >>> type of cooking surface unless listed for grease in depth. There has >>> not been a head so listed since the early nineties. You can protect >>> the ductwork and plenum areas with sprinklers but why would you when >>> the chem system does that anyways? And if you use a rated and listed >>> for fire protection, self-cleaning hood you don't need anything >>> except for >> the surface chem system. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:13 AM, Steve Mackinnon >>> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> That's all I saw in that thread too... >>>> >>>> Steven MacKinnon >>>> Fire Protection Division >>>> Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. >>>> 850 South Second Street >>>> Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 >>>> Office 631-580-2300 Fax - 631-580-1090 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt >>>> Grise >>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 9:11 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: Hibachi grills >>>> >>>> You might check the mail archive. I recall a lengthy thread on >>>> hibachi restaurants a while back... although I think it was mostly >>>> regarding hazard level. >>>> >>>> Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II >>>> Sales Engineer >>>> Alliance Fire Protection >>>> 130 w 9th Ave. >>>> North Kansas City, MO 64116 >>>> >>>> *Licensed in KS & MO >>>> >>>> 913.888.0647 ph >>>> 913.888.0618 f >>>> 913.927.0222 cell >>>> www. AFPsprink.com >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve >>>> Mackinnon >>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 8:07 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Hibachi grills >>>> >>>> Good morning everyone, >>>> >>>> I'm working on a small restaurant that will have multiple hibachi >>>> grills... Somehow my boss got ahold of an old 2000 New York State >>>> Mechanical code detail showing two upright heads above the fume >>>> hood in an exhaust plenum. I'm trying to locate a similar detail >>>> or requirement in the latest edition (2010), has anyone come >>>> across this >>> before?? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance!! >>>> Steven >>>> >>>> >>>> Steven MacKinnon >>>> Fire Protection Division >>>> Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. >>>> 850 South Second Street >>>> Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 >>>> Office 631-580-2300 Fax - 631-580-1090 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespr >>>> in >>>> kl >>>> er.org >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespr >>>> in kl er.org _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespr >>>> in >>>> kl >>>> er.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ron Greenman >>> Instructor >>> Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College >>> 1101 So. 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