Exactly correct, public policy normally follows disastrous events. In the PA Fire and Panic Act days there was a huge fire which destroyed a shopping mall. Although it had a huge impact on the community in terms of jobs and revenue, it was a successful code event in that no one died. It will be interesting to see if a 13 system would have mitigated the damage in this case. In hindsight the cost of a 13 system would seem to be pretty economical for this property, but when you multiply the 13 cost by every property in the state this still might be a cost effective "code success". Therefore no need to adjust your regulations.
Bill Brooks -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 4:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Massive fire burning at Edgewater apartment complex | NJ.com Pedestal 13R. This is typical of the special provisions section. I did a presentation at the NJ league of municipalities in 2013 on this type of construction noting particularly where the "measurements" are taken (two different places, ie height and stories). Fact is unprotected lightweight wood frame (5B) and 13R are all about risk tolerance, ie what's acceptable. If occupants getting out safely but losing the building is, then the paradigm worked. Its really a matter of public policy. IBC special provisions, NFPA 13R is just that. Hey I'm a firefighter/fire protection guy, concrete 1A, NFPA 13, 14, 20, non combustible furnishings, smoke detection, notification, etc etc works for me, then again I'm not writing the check. We will see how public policy shapes our building and fire codes going forward. John Drucker - Mobile Email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cell/Text 732-904-6823 Steve Leyton <[email protected]> wrote: John: Photos seem to show a 4-story type 5 with attic over a concrete podium. Is that the configuration? Do we know if it was 13? 13R? Looks like the classic roof burn-off; I wonder if draftstops were compromised, or even installed? Lots and LOTS of questions ... SL -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum on behalf of John Drucker Sent: Wed 1/21/2015 7:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Massive fire burning at Edgewater apartment complex | NJ.com http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2015/01/crews_battling_fire_at_edgewater_ apartment_complex.html#incart_m-rpt-1 John Drucker - Mobile Email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cell/Text 732-904-6823 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
