NFPA #13 is not based on IF there is a a fire - it is based on WHEN there is a fire.....That has been hammered into my head since I got in this industry...
WHEN there is a fire in that space - in this case the cooler, what happens? The IBC is clear - if it is attached (by definition within the IBC) to a protected building then sprinklers are required.....We have seen the aftermath of multiple compressors catching on fire inside coolers/freezers - so fires do happen in them. Greg McGahan Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 fax 850-937-1852 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 7:10 AM, Matthew J Willis <[email protected]> wrote: > Also, > > Lest we forget, the materials used in the construction of these "Boxes" > help a fire along regardless of the contents. > > R/ > Matt > > Matthew J. Willis > Project Manager > Rapid Fire Protection Inc. > 1805 Samco Road > Rapid City, SD 57702 > Office-605.348.2342 > Cell-605.391.2733 > Fax:-605.348.0108 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Cahill, > Christopher > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 6:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: exterior cooler/freezer > > Its called a backdraft. Look it up or watch the movie. Yes it can burn. > Also be careful with statistics. One can show any given fire is highly > unlikely. Yet they still happen on a regular basis. > > Chris Cahill > Fire Protection Engineer > Burns & McDonnell > [email protected] > 952-656-3652 Todd - Work wrote: > I went to the jobsite yesterday to get the full scoop. This is a > restaurant in a strip mall. In back, there will be two boxes approximately > 9 x 16 x 8(h). One will be liquor storage, which needs to have an inside > access. This will be conditioned space and we will run 2 heads off the > existing. The second is a combination freezer/cooler with the front 10 ft > cooler and the back 6 ft freezer. That adds complications. You would now be > looking at a 2 head dry system. The owner is considering eliminating the > inside access for that box. They have contacted the AHJ to see if that > would eliminate then need for sprinklers. > > My next question is on fire history in this type of box. By design, it > will be pretty much air tight to preserve the temperature. Given the size > of the space, would there be enough oxygen inside to sustain a fire that > would expose the main building? Is there any history of this type of fire? > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 10, 2015, at 6:35 AM, John Drucker <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Bill, like the recent blue dress experiment our eyes see what we want > them to. Fires, what fire ? > > > > John Drucker - Mobile Email > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Cell/Text 732-904-6823 > > > > > > Bill Brooks <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sometimes there are interpretations and sometimes misapplications. An > > intelligent interpretation is a help to a designer, a misapplication > > can be a dangerous thing. I'm not sure which one is being referenced > here. > > > > Bill Brooks > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sprinklerforum > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of Charles Thurston > > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 5:50 PM > > To: Cahill, Christopher; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: exterior cooler/freezer > > > > Hello Christopher, > > > > That is what the AHJs around here look at it as. They say the closed > > cooler door is like a fire door and no sprinkler needed. They even > > told a building owner of he left the "decorative roof" off a 1500 sq' > > cooler outside the building it did not have to be sprinklered. > > > > Monday, March 9, 2015, 11:16:43 AM, you wrote: > > > >> Hold on a second, there could be a fire wall between the two creating > >> separate buildings, lol. > > > >> Chris Cahill, PE* > >> Associate Fire Protection Engineer > >> Burns & McDonnell > >> Phone: 952.656.3652 > >> Fax: 952.229.2923 > >> [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
