What type of system, commercial, residential?????????????????

In an NFPA 13 system what are you plugging in for your calcs if all you have is 
a "city pressure"?  Is that static or residual?  How does a single pressure 
point relate to flow or establish any kind of flow curve?

If all you know is 50 psi, and that's let's assume a static pressure on a 
gauge, you could have any value for flow (gpm) and residual probably no less 
than 20 psi.  But you have no real idea of what kind of water supply you have 
based on one value alone.

I'm speaking purely from a commercial/industrial side of calculations.  Maybe 
residential allows you other ways of calculating, I don't' deal with Res. So 
can't speak to the methodology on that side.

NFPA 13 gives you some guidance on how to calculate a system, if you don't see 
this method there, it's for a reason.


Craig L. Prahl 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Sean Lockyer
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 6:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Is calcing back to the riser gauge acceptable ?

Quick question for everyone here. When the situation prevents one from being 
able to provide a calculation back to the U.G. connection at the street when 
can you calculate the system back to the gauge on the riser ?

For example, if you have, say, 50 psi city pressure (worst case) on a system at 
the riser gauge couldn't one calc it to the base of the riser, add in your hose 
allowance and call it a day as long as your system demand is less than the 
lowest "day pressure" in the system ?

In addition, if there any mention on this in NFPA 13 ? 


              Sean Lockyer
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