Yeah. I try to assume the best in people. 

But experience tends to show otherwise. 

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> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:00 PM, Scott Futrell <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately Travis I would not assume it has been tested properly or that 
> someone would have 'thought' about the size matching up. My experiences have 
> taught me that both of those assumptions are incorrect.
> 
> Scott
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:16 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: NFPA 20 around 1988
> 
> I have yet to get any pump test information, but I assume it has been tested 
> properly.
> 
> Thanks for the confirmation of the reducers.  I was pretty certain that you 
> couldn't use a concentric back in the day, but I didn't have the standard to 
> verify it.
> 
> What's funny is the pump is 8x6.  They ran a 6" underground and piping up to 
> the suction of the pump, then had to put an 8x6 flanged "increaser" to match 
> up with the pump.  You would think that some one would have had the idea back 
> then that this didn't seem quite right.
> 
> Travis Mack, SET
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>> On 2/11/2016 3:12 PM, Scott Futrell wrote:
>> I thought Brad would have the suction size answer!
>> 
>> Suction size has been for some time based upon the pressure remaining above 
>> 0 psi when flowing at 150 percent of the rated capacity.  So, 6" might be 
>> possible, but you'd have to verify the supply.
>> 
>> Agree completely, no concentric on suction side.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sprinklerforum 
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
>> Brad Casterline
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:08 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: NFPA 20 around 1988
>> 
>> No to concentric on suction side---
>> Requires ECCENTRIC, top flat.
>> (if this is vertical in-line, different ballgame) On Feb 11, 2016 3:58 PM, 
>> "Travis Mack, SET" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Was it ever permitted for a 1000 GPM pump to be supplied by 6" piping?
>>> Also, was it ever permitted to put a CONCENTRIC 8x6 reducer on the 
>>> suction flange of a pump.
>>> 
>>> We have an existing project where the owner was hoping to remove the 
>>> pump and to supply from city water.  I informed them that the water 
>>> pressures on site were not compatible.  They also have a pump that 
>>> has been requiring a lot of maintenance.  As I looked at the as-built 
>>> plans (yeah, miraculously they had them for a building built in 
>>> 1988), it shows a 6" supply for the
>>> 1000 gpm pump and the concentric reducer on the suction flange of the pump.
>>> 
>>> In the most recent editions of NFPA 20, a 1000 gpm pump needs an 8"
>>> suction line.
>>> 
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