It had nothing to do with the hazard. It was a block wall building with steel trusses and metal roof. High pressure hoses with detergent to wash tanks. Lots of non-combustibles and everything wet. OH1 because it was the COE and the layout for light or ordinary was the same and there was enough water for it. The decision was based on running a couple of calcs.
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:43 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm just curious about "OH1 by the way" Ron. Was that specified? I > like the relation mentioned to Parking Garage, and thought about the > "Contents" being the plastics, fabrics, and other combustible stuff > inside, and the fact that, hopefully, the windows are rolled up tight, > one car, and thought LH would probably be Reasonable too!! > > Brad > > Quoting "rongreenman ." <[email protected]>: > > > I did a tank wash station for the army and just used brass. That was > twenty > > years ago and there were no problems I know of. I'd use polyester now but > > because it would just make more sense and the cost, as mentioned, is > > negligible. OH1 by the way. > > > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Matt Grise <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I did a car wash where we had to put sprinklers in the automatic wash > >> area. The customer got out of the car and then would go inside and watch > >> the car go through a wash tunnel. > >> > >> The owner wanted corrosion resistant materials and insisted on stainless > >> steel piping and sprinklers... until I provided pricing for those > options. > >> > >> It turned out in that case that corrosion resistance and cost reached a > >> balancing point (at black s-40 pipe and standard heads). I imagine that > it > >> will be the same in all cases. You can certainly provide them with > almost > >> anything under the sun. Just bid what is in the specs, or counsel your > >> negotiated owner. They will eventually settle on some sort of available > >> option. > >> > >> Like I tell my apprentices: "I would like to have a solid gold toilet... > >> ...something, something... get out your check book." > >> > >> Matt > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected] > . > >> org] On Behalf Of Kyle.Montgomery > >> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:40 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: RE: Car Wash Station > >> > >> Architects/engineers often ask for "corrosion resistant" heads in locker > >> rooms with showers or in exterior locations that are exposed to ocean > air, > >> for example. > >> > >> I'm not sure if there is a real, tangible corrosion concern in a car > wash, > >> but it's an easy safeguard to use white-poly heads. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected] > . > >> org] On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL > >> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:27 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: RE: Car Wash Station > >> > >> Corrosion at the dilution levels used for application and at the minimal > >> direct exposure of water spray? > >> > >> > >> Craig L. Prahl > >> Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > >> CH2M > >> 200 Verdae Blvd. > >> Greenville, SC 29607 > >> Direct - 864.920.7540 > >> Fax - 864.920.7129 > >> CH2MHILL Extension 77540 > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected] > . > >> org] On Behalf Of Kyle.Montgomery > >> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:26 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Car Wash Station [EXTERNAL] > >> > >> Corrosion. > >> > >> I'm not sure if that is really an issue or not, but I would probably use > >> white poly heads. Cost difference is basically negligible. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected] > . > >> org] On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL > >> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:17 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Car Wash Station > >> > >> Based on what issue? > >> > >> > >> Craig L. Prahl > >> Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > >> CH2M > >> 200 Verdae Blvd. > >> Greenville, SC 29607 > >> Direct - 864.920.7540 > >> Fax - 864.920.7129 > >> CH2MHILL Extension 77540 > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected] > . > >> org] On Behalf Of Rocci Cetani 3 > >> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:11 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: Car Wash Station [EXTERNAL] > >> > >> There isn't an AHJ around here that would let us use brass. > <https://maps.google.com/?q=around+here+that+would+let+us+use+brass.&entry=gmail&source=g>.....poly > white > >> alllllllllllllll day > >> > >> Rocci Cetani III, CET > >> Senior Designer > >> Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III > >> > >> Northern California Fire Protection Services Inc. > >> 16840 Joleen Way Bldg. 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Prahl > >> Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > >> CH2M > >> 200 Verdae Blvd. > >> Greenville, SC 29607 > >> Direct - 864.920.7540 > >> Fax - 864.920.7129 > >> CH2MHILL Extension 77540 > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected] > . > >> org] On Behalf Of [email protected] > >> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:52 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: Car Wash Station [EXTERNAL] > >> > >> It's cut here...and dried over there... > >> > >> -- LOW combustibility > >> -- MODERATE quantity > >> -- MODERATE heat release rate > >> > >> Brad > >> > >> Quoting Bruce Verhei <[email protected]>: > >> > >> > I have not looked into car washes from a sprinkler hazard class > >> > perspective. I have looked at chemicals used. I’d be concerned about > >> > using standard brass heads. > >> > > >> > Best > >> > > >> > Bruce Verhei > >> > > >> >> On Oct 12, 2017, at 12:52, Rocci Cetani 3 <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I agree, OH1 > >> >> > >> >> Rocci Cetani III, CET > >> >> Senior Designer > >> >> Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III > >> >> > >> >> Northern California Fire Protection Services Inc. > >> >> 16840 Joleen Way Bldg. 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