You can actually measure just the cost-difference between a smaller and larger 
meter in terms of connection and capacity fees and still suffer a $5,000 (and 
higher!) hit.  Some water districts (including here in CA) have tried to 
mandate a minimum 1” meter for sprinklered homes, thus triggering the 
surcharges.   We got this mostly stopped in our state, however.

SML

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of rongreenman .
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Average cost for 13D systems

Is the plumbing lead-in and its associated cost factored into the square foot 
cost or is that included the n the site work? How about the electricity? Seems 
to me that not including the costs of hooking up to the utility as part of the 
square foot price of those systems, but adding them to sprinkler square foot 
installation cost arguments is disingenuous.

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 10:34 AM Steve Leyton 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
This is what we faced in the run-up to the vote on the 2009 IRC – our industry 
has been claiming $1-2 per s.f. for years and NAHB has been saying $6-10.  
We’ve been crying foul when in fact, in many cases they’ve been right about the 
overall cost.

SML

From: Sprinklerforum 
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 On Behalf Of John Drucker
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:37 AM
To: 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Average cost for 13D systems

EXACTLY, and the standby fees that are also being imposed.

Customers are looking at the BIG picture, aka the bottom line and when a 
SEPARATE fire service is required by the water purveyor and/or RPZ BACKFLOW 
preventers it all ADDS UP.

So just what is the TRUE cost, in some cases a lot more than the averages, 
means, estimates, etc etc,  Welcome to my world.

John Drucker, CET
Assistant Construction Official
Fire and Electrical Subcode Official
Building Inspector
Building Department
Borough of Red Bank, NJ
Cell/Text 732-904-6823
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From: Sprinklerforum 
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 on behalf of Bruce Verhei [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:02 PM
To: 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Average cost for 13D systems
The unresolved cost issue remains connection to water system.

Best.


Bruce Verhei

On Nov 14, 2017, at 08:56, Steve Leyton 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So answering my own question, NFPA Research Foundation updated the report in 
2013.

Checkioutpeople:   cost has actually dropped.


Mean


$1.61 (2008)


$1.35 (2013)








Median


$1.42 (2008)


$1.22 (2013)









From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:57 AM
To: 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Average cost for 13D systems

NFPARF published an estimate of average cost for a residential (one/two family) 
sprinkler system in 2009 in the run-up to the IRC vote that year.  I think the 
number was $1.61; does anyone know if they or HFSC have published an updated 
cost estimate recently?

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