Thanks Craig

 

I normally use FM data sheets as back up information or design criteria if
there is nothing in the NFPA standards, I just found it strange that there
was information for exposed but not for cartoned.

 

 

 

Thank you

 

 

James Crawford

Phaser Fire Protection Ltd.

Phone  604-888-0318

Fax 604-888-4732

Cel 604-790-0938

Email  [email protected]

Web www.phaserfire.ca

 

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 12:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Cartoned Expanded Group "A" Plastics

 

When the NFPA Standards do not specifically address a particular situation,
it is common to reach out to other recognized industry standards for
guidance.  FM Data Sheets often provide that info or you may find other
Standards or Industry Practices/Guidelines that address a unique condition
that NFPA does not.

 

Within the NFPA Standards is section 1.5, Equivalency.  Within this section
there is a provision for use of alternate methods or materials which can be
substantiated to achieve an intended equal or better level of protection
when presented and accepted by the AHJ.  

 

I have never had an AHJ reject an alternative methodology when citing a
known industry resource.  

 

Another avenue is to research the various sprinkler manufacturers to see
what new offering they may have recently had Listed and/or Approved.  There
are times when a new sprinkler is released for sale and it is not included
in the current NFPA offering.  Again, present that as your "equivalency" to
the AHJ.

 

As far as using a "higher hazard" criteria to protect a perceived "lesser
hazard", well, could you unequivocally defend that decision?  It's not a
matter of logic or gut feelings, it has to have some basis in actual testing
or calculations to prove the concept.  

 

The differentiating factor dealing with cartooned versus exposed is that,
simply put, cartoned criteria will assume absorption of sprinkler discharge
to help create a delay in ignition of the contents due to the soaked carton
acting as somewhat of a heatsink, preventing direct contact of the plastic
commodity with the flame front.     


Craig L. Prahl 
Fire Protection Group Lead/SME
CH2M
200 Verdae Blvd. 
Greenville, SC  29607
Direct - 864.920.7540

Fax - 864.920.7129

CH2MHILL Extension  77540
[email protected]



 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of James Crawford
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Cartoned Expanded Group "A" Plastics [EXTERNAL]

 

There does not seem to be a protection scheme for cartoned expanded Group
"A" plastics for buildings above 32'-0" ceiling heights, but there is now
one for exposed expanded Group "A" plastics for building up to 40'-0"
ceiling heights (NFPA #13 2016 ed).

 

Have I missed something or do you used exposed expanded to protect cartoned
expanded and if so why not state that. We have AHJs that if the code does
not provide a protection scheme you cannot store that product even if there
are schemes to protect a more hazardous product.

 

Comments please.

 

Thank you

 

 

James Crawford

Phaser Fire Protection Ltd.

Phone  604-888-0318

Fax 604-888-4732

Cel 604-790-0938

Email  [email protected]

Web www.phaserfire.ca

 

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