Why R-2? Bruce
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 12:22, John Irwin <john.ir...@dynafire.com> wrote: > > More information : > > Code analysis says the residential area are R-2 and the Parking level is S-2. > The Florida Building Code seems to indicate S-2 as a public parking garage > and when enclosed (which this is) requires protection. Additionally S > occupencies located below any other type of occupied space seem to require > sprinkler protection. > > I do believe that the Florida Building Code does allow for the living floors > to be protected per NFPA 13D though. > > So if this is the case, the sprinkler system in the garage would over ride > some 13D omissions like monitoring and an FDC. > > Agreed? > > John Irwin > DynaFire Inc. > Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division > 727-282-9243 > > This email was sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity, > typographical errors, and grammatical gaffes. >> On Feb 9, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Parsley Consulting <parsleyconsult...@cox.net> >> wrote: >> I'm not sure the reference to 8.3.8 would apply. >> >> First, John mentioned he was working with the 2010 edition of 13D. That >> edition doesn't contain this language. >> >> Second, if John were working with the '16 edition then 8.3.8 would not apply >> in my opinion as the "storage areas" are not exterior, and are only accessed >> from inside a portion of the dwelling unit. >> >> just my thoughts, >> Ken Wagoner, SET >> Parsley Consulting >> 350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206 >> Escondido, California 92025 >> Phone 760-745-6181 >> Visit the website >>> On 02/09/2018 11:56 AM, Fire Design wrote: >>> If it's a 13D system then: >>> 13D 8.3.8 Sprinklers shall not be required in closets in garages and >>> exterior closets (regardless of size) located on exterior balconies, >>> exterior breezeways/corridors, or accessed from outdoors where the closet >>> does not have doors or unprotected penetrations directly >>> into the dwelling unit. >>> >>> Is the building classified as an R-3 occupancy? The '13' reference on the >>> code analysis page might be a mistake if it is but you can always give the >>> architect a call to see if that's the case. Otherwise I agree - this layout >>> looks a little odd for a 13D but it is what it is unless the local >>> ammendments have anything to add to the situation. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Paul Cetani <pa...@norcalfire.com> wrote: >>>> This is pretty cut and dry here in Nor Cal. We have to sprinkler garages >>>> for most of our homes due to local AHJ requirements. 😊 >>>> >>>> Even if you sprinkler the garage, still seems like 13D to me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul B. Cetani >>>> >>>> Exec. Vice President >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nor Cal Fire, Inc. >>>> >>>> 16840 Joleen Way, Bldg A >>>> >>>> Morgan Hill, CA 95037 >>>> >>>> T 408-776-1580 >>>> >>>> F 408-776-1590 >>>> >>>> pa...@norcalfire.com >>>> >>>> www.norcalfire.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Sprinklerforum >>>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John >>>> Irwin >>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 11:08 AM >>>> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >>>> Subject: Abuse of 13D? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ok someone help me make an argument that this is not a 13D installation. >>>> This is the garage level of a two family home. However, the units are >>>> stacked on top of each other. Both units share a single lead-in (also >>>> shared with domestic). 13D 2010 is pretty clear that garages are not >>>> sprinklered. Code analysis page references NFPA 13 and not 13D. Sprinkler >>>> “engineered” page calls for 13D and shows no floor control on the garage >>>> level. (I think at a minimum the storage rooms need sprinklers as the >>>> garage exception is just for the garage) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What say you smart people? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >>>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> >> >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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