In the end if you can’t confirm by a rational analysis that supports a 
reasonable goal, (extinguish a fire of X size, if that fails protect important 
on site exposures and all off site exposures) require ‘technical assistance ‘. 

Best.

> On Feb 22, 2018, at 12:44, Bruce Verhei <bver...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Steve
> 
> You are required to calculate flows by an ‘approved method’.
> 
> If you haven’t previously put out for public comment and signed a scheme for 
> this I’d see what is already in use.
> 
> You might consider FMGlobal Data Sheet 7-10, 2-2.5. 
> 
> Before I went very far with this I’d compare pile sizes, fire access lanes 
> and widths to the sizes the IFC uses. Are the comparable?
> 
> And I’d ask how much water do you reserve for exposures.
> 
> Are they involving an insurance firm that has an engineering review section. 
> They’re often quite helpful. 
> 
> Locations of hydrants. Fire suppression activities are not helped if during 
> the fight you need to relocate engines as the plastic light bars are melting, 
> the paint is darkening, and the glass is crazing.
> 
> And equipment is heavy. You might confirm that the CE is considering this in 
> pipe type, depth, and bedding.
> 
> And are you in freezing country?
> The water just sits there. Enumclaw WA is not especially cold country. But a 
> root cause of failure to extinguish a fire in a Weyerhaeuser mill was a 
> frozen main. It was a little more complicated than that, but in the end an 
> ice plug occurred. Total loss of course. 
> 
> Best.
> 
> Bruce Verhei 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2018, at 10:54, Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This isn't a sprinkler question specifically, but FP-related:   Has anyone 
>> ever worked on design of a private fire main for a lumberyard?   Huge 
>> outdoor piles of stored wood products, engineered members mostly, some 
>> smaller amounts of dimensional lumber.     We're trying to establish a fire 
>> flow for hydrants but there are no buildings of any size to benchmark and 
>> tables in the fire code are not of much use because they're based on 
>> building area and construction type.   The fire load here is not in 
>> buildings ...
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