The report has not been issued yet. This article is highly speculative at
best.


Benjamin Young

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:38 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL <craig.pr...@ch2m.com>
wrote:

> The report said the fire started outside on a patio.  Was there no dry
> sprinkler on the patio? Apparently not.
>
> If the fire started outside and involved exterior siding, spreading along
> the outside of the building, the growth and intensity at some point would
> breach the building envelope and even if the sprinklers were operational, a
> 13R system would have probably been overwhelmed.
>
> When were the sprinkler systems last inspected and what was the actual
> municipal water supply capable of providing at the time of the fire versus
> when the system designed?
>
> And no mention of whether or not there were smoke detectors?
>
> So sad.
>
>
>
> Craig L. Prahl
> Fire Protection Group Lead/SME
> Direct - 864.920.7540
> Fax - 864.920.7129
> Direct Extension  77540
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: PA nursing home fire with multiple fatalities [EXTERNAL]
>
> 'what-was-wanting'
> the challenge for the 'up-and-coming'
> i love you scot
>
> Quoting "å... ...." <eurekaig...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Consider the waterflow test really was 90 psig static, 20 psig
> > residual and
> > 363 gpm.
> > If the fire started outside, the elevation pressure loss to operating
> > sprinklers is minimal (~ 4.5 psig);   therefore enough water pressure
> > remains to operate a handful of sprinklers.
> > And a handful of sprinklers is ordinarily enough to control a fire; if
> > the fire started inside...
> >
> >
> > 1.  Combustible exterior though, could have contributed to flame spread.
> > 2. If the water department was motivated to upgrade their water
> > supply, then there probably was something seriously lacking in their
> > product delivery.
> > If we can determine if it was the fire pump operator (engineer) whom
> > declared "...there is no water at the scene!" this points a finger at
> > the underground water supply.
> > 3. The control valve to the personal care section of the facility
> > could have been off, but this facility had multiple risers, each with
> > its own control valve; even if the personal care system control valve
> > was closed, other CVs to other sprinkler systems should have been open
> > and capable of delivering water, which again points to lack of municipal
> water supply.
> > 4. If the control valve to the BFP was closed, then all sprinkler
> > systems would not be delivering water via the city pressurized
> > underground pipes, but the FDC should still have been able to deliver
> > water to the individual sprinkler systems as it should be connected
> > downstream of the backflow preventer.  So if water from the FDC was
> > not reaching the systems, this again implicates the municipal water
> > system,
> >
> > 5. Was there a water leak in the municipal supply that prompted the
> > municipal water department to restrict some valves?
> > 6. Was the sprinkler system to the personal care wing a dry-pipe
> > system, and impaired due to corrosion?
> >
> > Usually it takes more than one system (items 1 through 6) to fail in
> > order to create a significant tragedy.
> >
> > It is sad to learn of this tragedy.  It is hoped that once
> > what-was-wanting with these fire suppression systems is identified,
> > these will not be soon repeated.
> >
> > ​Scot Deal
> > Excelsior Risk and Fire Engineering
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