Would the impairment be that there is not a ‘listed’ antifreeze solution to use 
for replacement?



Cliff Whitfield, SET

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Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 8:01 AM
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Subject: Re: Antifreeze Solution and NFPA 25



If you replaced the solutions with one that was rated for and tests at -15degF, 
what would be the impairment?


Todd G Williams, PE

Fire Protection Design/Consulting

Stonington, CT

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On Mar 29, 2018 at 7:42 AM, <Danette <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

We have several CPVC antifreeze systems that we've checked with a hydrometer to 
see the condition of the solution.  The ranges are from a +25 to a -10 deg. F.



NFPA 13 (2010) states in Figure A.10.5.1 that the lowest one-day mean 
temperature is 0 degrees for our location in sunny Texas.



The manufacturer of a solution we often use (Noble Co.) indicates their 
product, GL-48, is rated at -15 degrees F. but we have no way to know what 
brand or rating the solution might be in these systems we've tested.



The local fire marshal has instructed me that all of the systems are considered 
"impaired" because the solution differs from the antifreeze listing temperature 
(of at least the product we typically use).  It is my belief if we were to 
change the solution in any or all of the systems, by nightfall due to various 
factors including ambient temperature change, any or all of the systems could 
be back in "impairment" mode by his standards.



With my computer in the shop, I have little access to research this topic.  Can 
you offer me code to follow or wisdom and experience on this subject?  Thank 
you.

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