Y'all need to read the definition of "Building" in the Building Code:   

"Any structure used or intended for supporting or sheltering any use or 
occupancy."  

It doesn't mention walls or doors, it doesn't mention construction type or 
combustibility of materials.  So the area in question IS a building.   That by 
John's description is ATTACHED to another (sprinklered) building and is used 
for occupancy by children where there is a measurable fire load (whether or not 
it is a profound fire load, there is one).    

So once again, from the top:  NFPA 13 doesn't exclude this area because it's 
occupied and has or potentially has combustibles below it.  The building code 
defines it as a building.   Why don't we have to sprinkler it?

Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On 
Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:10 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Exterior Play Area

I vote no sprinklers required -- open and noncombustible- the rockinghorse on a 
spring is like a newspaper machine - there will always be just one of them- not 
one today and twelve tomorrow.

Brad.

Quoting Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com>:

> 8.15.7.5.
>
> From: Sprinklerforum
> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of 
> John Irwin
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:10 AM
> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> Subject: RE: Exterior Play Area
>
> I can appreciate your opinion, but I need a code reference.  😉
>
> John Irwin
> DynaFire Inc. – “Same Day – Next Day”
>
> From: Sprinklerforum
> <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum-
> boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:47 PM
> To:  
> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerfo...@lists.fir
> esprinkler.org>
> Subject: RE: Exterior Play Area
>
> Assuming there’s play equipment there (fire load) and knowing that 
> there are kids occupying the space, I wouldn’t call this an
> “exterior projection”.   It’s a shad structure with occupancy below  
> and IMO requires sprinkler protection.
>
> SML
>
> From: Sprinklerforum
> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of 
> John Irwin
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 10:42 AM
> To:  
> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerfo...@lists.fir
> esprinkler.org>
> Subject: Exterior Play Area
>
> Protecting a light hazard Boys and Girls Club. I excluded an exterior, 
> but covered, attached and open play area. Non-combustible.
> It’s a couple thousand square feet. I excluded using NFPA 13 2013
> 8.15.7
>
> Client is telling me that he her other fire sprinkler guys telling him 
> he needs sprinklers in that areas.
>
> What say you?
>
> [cid:image001.png@01D3D318.846AE470]
>
>
> John Irwin
> Fire Sprinkler Specialist
> DynaFire, Inc. – “Same Day – Next Day”
> 727-282-9243 – Cell
>
> “A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not 
> dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption on 
> our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our 
> business. He is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving 
> him. He is doing us a favour by giving us an opportunity to do so.”



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