It dosent say those things because it's outside the building Steve.
It's a shade structure, like you meant. Sprinklers would just make a big mess. Open on three sides and non-comb means no life safety issue and if that's where it starts it won't get inside before the FD gets there. These 12-17 year old Boys and Girls probably started it, thinking some Smores sounded good.


Brad


Quoting Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com>:

Y'all need to read the definition of "Building" in the Building Code:

"Any structure used or intended for supporting or sheltering any use or occupancy."

It doesn't mention walls or doors, it doesn't mention construction type or combustibility of materials. So the area in question IS a building. That by John's description is ATTACHED to another (sprinklered) building and is used for occupancy by children where there is a measurable fire load (whether or not it is a profound fire load, there is one).

So once again, from the top: NFPA 13 doesn't exclude this area because it's occupied and has or potentially has combustibles below it. The building code defines it as a building. Why don't we have to sprinkler it?

Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:10 PM
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Subject: Re: Exterior Play Area

I vote no sprinklers required -- open and noncombustible- the rockinghorse on a spring is like a newspaper machine - there will always be just one of them- not one today and twelve tomorrow.

Brad.

Quoting Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com>:

8.15.7.5.

From: Sprinklerforum
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
John Irwin
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:10 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Exterior Play Area

I can appreciate your opinion, but I need a code reference.  😉

John Irwin
DynaFire Inc. – “Same Day – Next Day”

From: Sprinklerforum
<sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum-
boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:47 PM
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Subject: RE: Exterior Play Area

Assuming there’s play equipment there (fire load) and knowing that
there are kids occupying the space, I wouldn’t call this an
“exterior projection”.   It’s a shad structure with occupancy below
and IMO requires sprinkler protection.

SML

From: Sprinklerforum
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John Irwin
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 10:42 AM
To:
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esprinkler.org>
Subject: Exterior Play Area

Protecting a light hazard Boys and Girls Club. I excluded an exterior,
but covered, attached and open play area. Non-combustible.
It’s a couple thousand square feet. I excluded using NFPA 13 2013
8.15.7

Client is telling me that he her other fire sprinkler guys telling him
he needs sprinklers in that areas.

What say you?

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John Irwin
Fire Sprinkler Specialist
DynaFire, Inc. – “Same Day – Next Day”
727-282-9243 – Cell

“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not
dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption on
our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our
business. He is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving
him. He is doing us a favour by giving us an opportunity to do so.”



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