In western Washington we call it a rain shelter.

Best.

Bruce Verhei 

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 14:06, bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com wrote:
> 
> It dosent say those things because it's outside the building Steve.
> It's a shade structure, like you meant. Sprinklers would just make a big 
> mess. Open on three sides and non-comb means no life safety issue and if 
> that's where it starts it won't get inside before the FD gets there. These 
> 12-17 year old Boys and Girls probably started it, thinking some Smores 
> sounded good.
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> Quoting Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com>:
> 
>> Y'all need to read the definition of "Building" in the Building Code:
>> 
>> "Any structure used or intended for supporting or sheltering any use or 
>> occupancy."
>> 
>> It doesn't mention walls or doors, it doesn't mention construction type or 
>> combustibility of materials.  So the area in question IS a building.   That 
>> by John's description is ATTACHED to another (sprinklered) building and is 
>> used for occupancy by children where there is a measurable fire load 
>> (whether or not it is a profound fire load, there is one).
>> 
>> So once again, from the top:  NFPA 13 doesn't exclude this area because it's 
>> occupied and has or potentially has combustibles below it.  The building 
>> code defines it as a building.   Why don't we have to sprinkler it?
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] 
>> On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:10 PM
>> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
>> Subject: Re: Exterior Play Area
>> 
>> I vote no sprinklers required -- open and noncombustible- the rockinghorse 
>> on a spring is like a newspaper machine - there will always be just one of 
>> them- not one today and twelve tomorrow.
>> 
>> Brad.
>> 
>> Quoting Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com>:
>> 
>>> 8.15.7.5.
>>> 
>>> From: Sprinklerforum
>>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
>>> John Irwin
>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:10 AM
>>> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
>>> Subject: RE: Exterior Play Area
>>> 
>>> I can appreciate your opinion, but I need a code reference.  😉
>>> 
>>> John Irwin
>>> DynaFire Inc. – “Same Day – Next Day”
>>> 
>>> From: Sprinklerforum
>>> <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum-
>>> boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:47 PM
>>> To:
>>> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerfo...@lists.fir
>>> esprinkler.org>
>>> Subject: RE: Exterior Play Area
>>> 
>>> Assuming there’s play equipment there (fire load) and knowing that
>>> there are kids occupying the space, I wouldn’t call this an
>>> “exterior projection”.   It’s a shad structure with occupancy below
>>> and IMO requires sprinkler protection.
>>> 
>>> SML
>>> 
>>> From: Sprinklerforum
>>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
>>> John Irwin
>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 10:42 AM
>>> To:
>>> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerfo...@lists.fir
>>> esprinkler.org>
>>> Subject: Exterior Play Area
>>> 
>>> Protecting a light hazard Boys and Girls Club. I excluded an exterior,
>>> but covered, attached and open play area. Non-combustible.
>>> It’s a couple thousand square feet. I excluded using NFPA 13 2013
>>> 8.15.7
>>> 
>>> Client is telling me that he her other fire sprinkler guys telling him
>>> he needs sprinklers in that areas.
>>> 
>>> What say you?
>>> 
>>> [cid:image001.png@01D3D318.846AE470]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John Irwin
>>> Fire Sprinkler Specialist
>>> DynaFire, Inc. – “Same Day – Next Day”
>>> 727-282-9243 – Cell
>>> 
>>> “A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not
>>> dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption on
>>> our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our
>>> business. He is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving
>>> him. He is doing us a favour by giving us an opportunity to do so.”
>> 
>> 
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