I was thinking about all the Porte Coches that I don't protect when looking at 
this job. I've done Porte Cochres larger than this and not needed protection. 
Personally I think idling cars present a higher risk of fire than a concrete 
basketball court.

⁣John Irwin 
DynaFire Inc. 
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On Apr 13, 2018, 5:41 PM, at 5:41 PM, bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com wrote:
>In Kansas we call it a 'carport', or if it is only open on the front,
>a 'lean-to'.
>I will admit though, ~2000 s.f. of this is kind of scary.
>Good thing you excluded it John (hopefully you had it figured but it
>was just the dif between 20 and 25% profit.
>
>b.
>
>
>Quoting Bruce Verhei <bver...@comcast.net>:
>
>> In western Washington we call it a rain shelter.
>>
>> Best.
>>
>> Bruce Verhei
>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 14:06, bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com wrote:
>>>
>>> It dosent say those things because it's outside the building Steve.
>>> It's a shade structure, like you meant. Sprinklers would just make
>>> a big mess. Open on three sides and non-comb means no life safety
>>> issue and if that's where it starts it won't get inside before the  
>>> FD gets there. These 12-17 year old Boys and Girls probably started 
>
>>> it, thinking some Smores sounded good.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com>:
>>>
>>>> Y'all need to read the definition of "Building" in the Building
>Code:
>>>>
>>>> "Any structure used or intended for supporting or sheltering any
>>>> use or occupancy."
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't mention walls or doors, it doesn't mention construction
>
>>>> type or combustibility of materials.  So the area in question IS a
>
>>>> building.   That by John's description is ATTACHED to another
>>>> (sprinklered) building and is used for occupancy by children where
>
>>>> there is a measurable fire load (whether or not it is a profound
>>>> fire load, there is one).
>>>>
>>>> So once again, from the top:  NFPA 13 doesn't exclude this area
>>>> because it's occupied and has or potentially has combustibles
>>>> below it.  The building code defines it as a building.   Why don't
>
>>>> we have to sprinkler it?
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Sprinklerforum
>>>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:10 PM
>>>> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Exterior Play Area
>>>>
>>>> I vote no sprinklers required -- open and noncombustible- the
>>>> rockinghorse on a spring is like a newspaper machine - there will
>>>> always be just one of them- not one today and twelve tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> Brad.
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> 8.15.7.5.
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Sprinklerforum
>>>>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf
>Of
>>>>> John Irwin
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:10 AM
>>>>> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
>>>>> Subject: RE: Exterior Play Area
>>>>>
>>>>> I can appreciate your opinion, but I need a code reference.  😉
>>>>>
>>>>> John Irwin
>>>>> DynaFire Inc. – “Same Day – Next Day”
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Sprinklerforum
>>>>>
><sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum-
>>>>> boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:47 PM
>>>>> To:
>>>>>
>sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerfo...@lists.fir
>>>>> esprinkler.org>
>>>>> Subject: RE: Exterior Play Area
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming there’s play equipment there (fire load) and knowing that
>>>>> there are kids occupying the space, I wouldn’t call this an
>>>>> “exterior projection”.   It’s a shad structure with occupancy
>below
>>>>> and IMO requires sprinkler protection.
>>>>>
>>>>> SML
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Sprinklerforum
>>>>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf
>Of
>>>>> John Irwin
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 10:42 AM
>>>>> To:
>>>>>
>sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerfo...@lists.fir
>>>>> esprinkler.org>
>>>>> Subject: Exterior Play Area
>>>>>
>>>>> Protecting a light hazard Boys and Girls Club. I excluded an
>exterior,
>>>>> but covered, attached and open play area. Non-combustible.
>>>>> It’s a couple thousand square feet. I excluded using NFPA 13 2013
>>>>> 8.15.7
>>>>>
>>>>> Client is telling me that he her other fire sprinkler guys telling
>him
>>>>> he needs sprinklers in that areas.
>>>>>
>>>>> What say you?
>>>>>
>>>>> [cid:image001.png@01D3D318.846AE470]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Irwin
>>>>> Fire Sprinkler Specialist
>>>>> DynaFire, Inc. – “Same Day – Next Day”
>>>>> 727-282-9243 – Cell
>>>>>
>>>>> “A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is
>not
>>>>> dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an
>interruption on
>>>>> our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our
>>>>> business. He is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by
>serving
>>>>> him. He is doing us a favour by giving us an opportunity to do
>so.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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