Yep, lets be offended and raise the drink minimum (just not high enough to hurt Monday morning.) gotta be awake for presentations on Monday morning.
Thank You *Mark E. Eckard SET* *Fire Protection Services, LLC* 2126 US Hwy. 41 North Perry, GA 31069 Office: 478-987-7319 (Perry) or (770) 702-0965 (Metro Atlanta) Mobile: 478-244-6653 SYL-216 *From:* Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> *On Behalf Of *John Drucker *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 6:23 AM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* Re: FPE / SFPE It’s a joke, most AHJs know that the NICET techs are doing the heavy lift and the PE swoops in at the 11th hour affixes the signature and seal and collects their $ 500. Lets just stop this charade and recognize the NICET techs. The principal engineer/architect of record simply review for conformance, ie how the sprinkler system plays nicely with the building, correct code references, issues the review letter avoiding the paid by the page deal that’s going on. John Drucker ------------------------------ *From:* Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> on behalf of Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com> *Sent:* Thursday, September 27, 2018 6:29:49 PM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* RE: FPE / SFPE I’m offended too – Sunday night. Though I’m presenting Monday so two drinks is the limit. *From:* Sprinklerforum [ mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] *On Behalf Of *Pete Schwab *Sent:* Thursday, September 27, 2018 3:28 PM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* RE: FPE / SFPE I’m offended. See you Saturday night *From:* Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> *On Behalf Of *Roland Huggins *Sent:* Thursday, September 27, 2018 6:21 PM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* Re: FPE / SFPE The issue of unqualified engineers is an old song and dance that I don’t want to resurrect but this is a different nuance. I hope it doesn’t flare into a drawn out discussion but one reply on this thread then if you wish to discuss further, it’ll have to be over drinks. I never said they didn’t OFFER training. I said they blissfully ACCEPT engineers practicing outside their field of expertise with no repercussions. This all stemmed from the development of the SFPE white paper on whether sprinkler design was engineering (which I was actively involved with). How can one insist that an engineer be the only one that can do something while the other hand ACKNOWLEDGES THAT 90+ % of the involved engineers are practicing outside their field of expertise? This spun me up. Now combine that with the sprinkler contractors in a state attempting to report unqualified engineers to the Board of Registration and the local SFPE chapter saying lets not flood the Board with every possible complaint so we’ll help pare it down (GREAT IDEA and effort). When I was told that the National SFPE organization told them to cease and desist such activities, I lost it. And they lost my membership. If you’re still offended, I’ll buy you two drinks to help overcome your misguided offense. If you have something that counters the subject of my statement, I’d love to hear it. IF you simple want to debate it, let’s do it off forum please. FYI for the Forum - Scott and I are buds and have known each other a long time. Roland Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives On Sep 27, 2018, at 2:04 PM, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com> wrote: Note that I changed the subject. I believe I’m offended now, my friend. SFPE’s Sprinkler Design for Engineers Class is specifically targeting the engineers that aren’t FPE’s. It is a thirty-two hour class that is written and taught by incredibly talented individuals (Mr. Denhardt and Mr. Scandaliato that most of you know well, to name two) and has been available for over 15 years now. The class content is based upon the current edition of NFPA 13 and NFPA 20 and goes from writing specifications; to taking flow tests; teaching them hydraulic calculations, by hand; working with pump specifications; spending a great deal of time on hazard classification and why it isn’t just pick it out of the Annex; and presenting new technologies direct from manufacturers at every class. I can’t do much about hiring FPE’s, but can tell you that there are openings for about 300 FPE’s so there aren’t that many around to start with. This class is open to, and attended by PE’s, sprinkler designers, and AHJ’s, and again, the class teaches them what they should be specifying and reviewing and how to do it. Scott Futrell, PE, FSFPE, SET, CWBSD Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 *From:* Sprinklerforum [ mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] *On Behalf Of *Roland Huggins *Sent:* Thursday, September 27, 2018 10:33 AM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* Re: Exposure protection of large windows. And the SFPE blissfully (and intentionally) ignores this well known fact. That’s why I dropped my membership with them over a decade ago. Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives On Sep 25, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com> wrote: Unfortunately out here, no one hires independent FPEs to prepare specs. 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