Yeah. VA specs I have for this mandate in several locations that it must be residential in the patient sleeping and bathroom areas, as well as corridors in a patient ward. Sometimes you just have to wonder. I'm tempted to just give it as specified.
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From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 2:34 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sleeping rooms in a hospital Notwithstanding flatter patterns and atomization (which are not necessarily desirable if you have a fire working in a compartment with non-ambulatory occupants in it who may be breathing piped oxygen), residential sprinklers are listed for residential occupancies. The building code classifies a hospital as I-2. Hospitals also may contain Group B and Group A occupancies of different sizes but a hospital doesn't include Group R. The Building Code precedes application of any standard in the hierarchy of code stuff. So if residential sprinklers are listed for residential occupancies only, and this isn't a residential occupancy, then I don't see how you can use residential sprinklers. Perhaps a thoughtfully crafted RFI to the specifying engineer would draw out what I'm SURE will be a most entertaining narrative. SL From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 12:58 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: Sleeping rooms in a hospital I was fully planning QR but just that item in the specs to use residential made me question it. <http://www.mfpdesign.com/> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107 <mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> tm...@mfpdesign.com www.mfpdesign.com <http://www.mfpdesign.com> Send large files to us via: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.highta il.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C 14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=eGdMZGu2 wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D&reserved=0> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign LinkedIn: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linked in.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77% 7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=tT5E7L sZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D&reserved=0> https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten." From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> > On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 12:57 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: Re: Sleeping rooms in a hospital The building code classifies this as an institutional rather than residential occupancy. We could go off into the weeds discussing the fire load and whether the furnishings in a hospital room hold more or less potential energy than upholstered furniture in a home. In my mind, the distinguishing factor is the presence of pressurized medical gasses which I think is a deal breaker when it comes to residential sprinklers. Steve Leyton (Sent from my phone; please excuse typos and voice text corruptions.) -------- Original message -------- From: "Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G" <tm...@mfpdesign.com <mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> > Date: 6/28/19 12:45 PM (GMT-08:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: Sleeping rooms in a hospital Residential sprinklers or QR? I-2 occupancy. Specs call for residential. I've always done these as QR. <http://www.mfpdesign.com/> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107 <mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> tm...@mfpdesign.com www.mfpdesign.com <http://www.mfpdesign.com> Send large files to us via: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.highta il.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C 14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=eGdMZGu2 wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D&reserved=0> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign LinkedIn: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linked in.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77% 7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=tT5E7L sZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D&reserved=0> https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
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