I like this discussion. What about the dreaded perimeter opening 9n an otherwise non-combustible ceiling? Does a spacing ruling from the opening apply?
Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 5:21 PM Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Ummm, > Almost 2 different animals. > Clouds are obstructions, not rated ceiling assemblies. > > When in doubt, follow the heat. > > Meat > > On the road.. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <tm...@mfpdesign.com> > *Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2019 6:10:04 PM > *To:* 'Phillips, Mark' <mphill...@jjkllc.com>; > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>; vi...@wtfp.net <vi...@wtfp.net> > *Cc:* Matthew J Willis <ma...@rapidfireinc.com> > *Subject:* RE: COMBUSTIBLE CEILING SPACE > > > *I think with cloud ceilings, you will need to go from the floor. With > full ceilings, you can use the ceiling as the floor level. That may be a > good one for an AFSA interp.* > > > > [image: MFP_logo_F] <http://www.mfpdesign.com/> > > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET > > MFP Design, LLC > > 3356 E Vallejo Ct > > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > > 480-505-9271 > > fax: 866-430-6107 > > tm...@mfpdesign.com > > www.mfpdesign.com > > > > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D&reserved=0> > > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D&reserved=0> > > > > *“**The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of > low price is forgotten.**”* > > > > > > *From:* Phillips, Mark <mphill...@jjkllc.com> > *Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2019 5:00 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org; vi...@wtfp.net > *Cc:* Matthew J Willis <ma...@rapidfireinc.com>; Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, > CWBSP, RME-G <tm...@mfpdesign.com> > *Subject:* Re: COMBUSTIBLE CEILING SPACE > > > > Is there any code reference because I lost the argument several times. > > > > > > Let's say you have an area with a cloud ceiling with interstitial. Deck is > 15' between floors with beam construction and the ceiling cloud is 8' with > a gap requiring interstitial. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Sent from my cell phone. Please excuse spelling etc. > > > > > > *Mark*** > > > > *Phillips* > > Vice President of Fire Protection > > , > > Kirlin Carolinas, LLC > > t: *919-526-1584* <919-526-1584> > > | > > m: *919-610-0490* <919-610-0490> > > *mphill...@jjkllc.com* <mphill...@jjkllc.com> > > | > > *https://kirlingroup.com* <https://kirlingroup.com/> > > 8000 Brownleigh Dr > > , > > Raleigh > > , > > NC > > > > 27617 > > <https://twitter.com/KirlinGroup> > > <https://www.facebook.com/kirlinllc> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/133201/> > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > > Date: 9/20/19 7:49 PM (GMT-05:00) > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org, vi...@wtfp.net > > Cc: Matthew J Willis <ma...@rapidfireinc.com>, "Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, > CWBSP, RME-G" <tm...@mfpdesign.com> > > Subject: Re: COMBUSTIBLE CEILING SPACE > > > > Caution: This email originated from outside the organization. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > > Concur. > > Works in an attic as well. > > Matt > > On the road.. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> > on behalf of Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2019 5:47:17 PM > *To:* vi...@wtfp.net <vi...@wtfp.net>; > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Cc:* Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <tm...@mfpdesign.com> > *Subject:* RE: COMBUSTIBLE CEILING SPACE > > > > *It is my understanding you can use the ceiling with the pendent > sprinklers as the floor level when measuring the QR reduction.* > > > > [image: MFP_logo_F] <http://www.mfpdesign.com/> > > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET > > MFP Design, LLC > > 3356 E Vallejo Ct > > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > > 480-505-9271 > > fax: 866-430-6107 > > tm...@mfpdesign.com > > www.mfpdesign.com > > > > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D&reserved=0> > > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D&reserved=0> > > > > *“**The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of > low price is forgotten.**”* > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> *On > Behalf Of *Vince Sabolik via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2019 4:46 PM > *To:* Vince Sabolik via Sprinklerforum < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Cc:* Vince Sabolik <vi...@wtfp.net> > *Subject:* Re: COMBUSTIBLE CEILING SPACE > > > > Thanks, guys. > > I thought similar. Why do you suppose the height applies from the floor > below > when the ceiling is non com? > > A case of fire insurance for cast iron under water? > > Thanks again, have a nice weekend! > > > Vince > > > > > > On 9/20/2019 7:36 PM, Vince Sabolik via Sprinklerforum wrote: > > The area above the ceiling requires protection. > Is the reduced area (use of QR) applicable? > > -- > > > *Vince Sabolik* > *West Tech Fire Protection, Inc.* 11351 Pearl Road / Strongsville, > Ohio 44136 > Phone 440 238-4800 Fax 440 238-4876 Cell 440 724-7601 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > -- > > > *Vince Sabolik* > *West Tech Fire Protection, Inc.* 11351 Pearl Road / Strongsville, > Ohio 44136 > Phone 440 238-4800 Fax 440 238-4876 Cell 440 724-7601 > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >
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