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Bruce > On Dec 4, 2019, at 19:20, John Drucker via Sprinklerforum > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Partial Releases only add to the problem. If architects were required to > submit only complete packages for permitting, ie sprinklers, fire alarm, this > problem would go away once and for all. Add to that plan reviewers who get > the fire shops at the 11th hour and need it reviewed immediately as its > holding up the job. > > John Drucker > > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> on > behalf of Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum > <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 15:51 > To: [email protected] > Cc: Steve Leyton > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Trouble getting Architects to give Revit files > > Yeah, we don’t do too many 2-story standpipes … > > From: Parsley Consulting [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 12:34 PM > To: [email protected]; Prahl, Craig/GVL; David Williams > Cc: Steve Leyton > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Trouble getting Architects to give Revit files > > Permit me to endorse and support Steve's comment I've highlighted below. > > In the course of doing 3rd party plan review for various AHJ's in San Diego > county I've seen numerous sets of plans as prepared by the staff at > Protection Design. As a result I've become familiar with the style and > methods they use in layout and preparation of details. > > And to my surprise a set of plans was submitted for review by another firm > and extensively used the details from PD&C. I didn't bring this to Steve's > attention until I had some significant issues with some of the details which > hadn't been updated for the particular project they were ostensibly > supporting. Specifically, I've come to recognize the format PD&C uses to > prepare a standpipe drawing, providing any number of items of significant > information - floor clamps, flexible couplings (we're in seismic country), > hose valve elevation above the finished floor, hydraulic reference points, > and a great number of other bits of information. > > To my shock in reviewing the project I mentioned I saw a six story standpipe > detail for a two-story building. I phoned Steve to ask - uh, what gives? > Only to find that another contractor had deviously acquired their details and > included them on this drawing without bothering to update them. > > One of my most jaw-clenching irritants in doing plan review is the > (admittedly) time saving capability of CAD to allow details to be used again > and again except the details require modification from project to project. > There is very little more to say when reading a note in a detail that says > the install is to conform to XX AHJ's requirements, only to observe that the > project is not in that jurisdiction, the pipe sizes and materials are > different, and the reference points don't match the supporting calculations. > > Add into that the pirating of someone else's work as Steve noted below and > it's clear there is much to be careful about in working with CAD, Revit, BIM > and the like. > > finished expounding for the day, > > Ken Wagoner, SET > Parsley Consulting > 350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206 > Escondido, California 92025 > Phone 760-745-6181 > Visit the website > > On 12/04/2019 10:40 AM, Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum wrote: > We’ve been designing in Revit (not designing in CAD and then crafting a > piping model to plug into the Architect’s building model, but designing > soup-to-nuts in Revit) since 2014. Over the course of that time, since we > were into that space before any substantive content was available from > manufacturers or the so-called BIM cities, we have developed nearly all of > the families that we use and the methodologies we employ whilst designing on > this platform. So I would say (as humbly as I’m capable of) that our firm > is as knowledgeable as any in the fire protection community regarding “best > practices” when it comes to the construction team handoff. To date, we have > only been asked a couple times for our model by a contractor and we have > responded affirmatively. But we have also dumbed down the model because our > experience with the contracting community of the years has been that our > intellectual property will be copied and used by unscrupulous contractors and > I’m not speculating about that; I’ve written at least a half-dozen > cease-and-desist letters to sprinkler subs caught using our stuff. We’ve > spent literally thousands of hours and dozens of thousands of dollars to > position ourselves as THE go-to resource for Revit-based fire protection > design in the markets we serve and have accomplished that that, so I’ll be > damned if I’m going to (knowingly) serve as a free content resource for > others. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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