Bruce thanks for sharing. This was an interesting story and I appreciate
the extra details.

Ben

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:10 PM BRUCE VERHEI via Sprinklerforum <
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> I’ve seen what about 50 of these stored, on side in a non-sprinklered
> building can do, after fire. Furniture store, just opened up for day. Units
> behind a partial height storeroom wall. Old CMU, timber truss auto sales
> bldg from 1920’s. About 120’ x 100’. At first whiff of smoke the evacuated.
> In moments could see flame and dark smoke above partition to ceiling. Owner
> made call to Fire from pvt office on opposite side of building. When he got
> off phone he had to climb out window. Not even as big as normal bathroom
> window. He must have been fairly slim. HQ fire station half a block away.
> They went out door, kitty corner then wrong way on one way street, did a
> unique to me reverse hose lay.* Two lanes, with parking spots on both
> sides, not heavily occupied at 0830. Roomate-FF got light moderate 2nd
> degree burns on lt. shoulder- partial  back as he hunched across street
> with 2 1/2” waiting for water.
>
> For years you could see where the tar burned out out the asphalt on side
> of road crown towards fire building.
>
> I know wire glass seems to have gone out of style. In this intense fire
> several small panes in building across 10’ alley crazed and held.
>
> Roomate missed several weeks before cleared for work.
>
> Olympia Fire got one mattress and borrowed a video camera. The guy holds a
> burning tissue until it burns to fingers, turns, and says it didn’t light.
> Behind him you can see 4”, then 12”, the full height flame. They wrecked
> their office wall clock they’d set up in field of view, but saved the
> camera. Expensive back then. Changed minds of those who thought a full
> Gerry can of gasoline must have been poured in window off alley.
>
> As you have gathered over the years I am a big spk’s believer. Am rather
> proud of having reviewed or field inspected install of ca 1m heads. Maybe
> with today’s high k-factor hds. Old 1/2” hds at 16-18’ AFF? I’m skeptical
> fire outcome would have been much different.
>
> Still can hear Oly Fire Asst/Ch saying Temporarily Solidified, Highly
> Volatile Petrochemicals when describing the foam mattress they’d burned.
>
> Best.
>
> Bruce Verhei
>
> * Not spk’s. Firefighters might find of historical interest. 4 & 5” single
> jacket hose with working pressures that would be useful to fire haven’t
> always been available.  Olympia Fire had a hose load common in Seattle
> Fire’s sphere of influence. Two by 2 1/2” beds, about 600’ each. One bed of
> 3 1/2”, 600’, 3 1/2” x 2 1/2” x 2 1/2” x 2 1/2” distributor (Half Hanson),
> with 2 x 2 1/2” 50’ leads. Carry 2 x 2 1/2 x 100’ slot loads with nozzles.
> We had same configuration on a Seattle spec Kenworth. Oly had American
> LaFrance.
>
> Oly Fire stopped at one corner of building, laid a 2 1/2” from reverse
> bed, to cover one corner and alley exposure,  forward to mid-store, 3 1/2
> and portable monitor, forward to next corner, fwd 2 1/2” with nozzle.
> Enough working line for FF to advance past bldg to cover far corner and
> alley at other corner of bldg. End up with monitor into front of building.
> 2 1/2”’s covering opposite exposuresand into building at opposite corners
> of building off different streets at this large, corner building. Engine
> reversed out to hydrant so
> ‘Oly Fire didn’t burn the paint and plastic off Engine O-12. The single
> company hose evolution impressed me. 40 years later I think it still does.
>
> With 2 x  2 1/2” lines at about  and 2” solid bore master stream right
> from start roof still burned off. Exposure businesses all closed for day,
> but back open Monday.
>
> Moral of story. Go with biggest line you are going to use as your first
> line, always.
>
> Later engines supplied two trucks’ master streams as heavy car deck roof
> burned through.
>
> bv
>
> On June 4, 2020 at 11:20 AM John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> As others have already stated, exposed expanded, Group A, Table
> A.20.4.5.1.  Depending on the storage height, Table 4.3.1.7.1 might be
> applicable.
>
> References are to the 2019 edition of NFPA 13.
>
> Thanks,
> John
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> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:07 AM Kyle.Montgomery via Sprinklerforum <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Todd: I wonder how the compressed foam mattresses behave when the box
> burns away?
>
>
>
> FM Global Engineer: … (comes to startling realization) … Mother of God…
>
>
>
>
>
> This had me chuckling. You’ve piqued my curiosity. Maybe we should start a
> ‘Go Fund Me’ for full scale fire testing of compressed foam mattresses.
>
>
>
> -Kyle M
>
>
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> *On
> Behalf Of *Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 4, 2020 6:44 AM
> *To:* Sprinklerforum <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* Fpdcdesign <[email protected]>; Matt Grise <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: mattress storage
>
>
>
> I am actually working on a foam mattress manufacturer right now. Expanded
> Group A plastic. You would have to check if they are exposed or in
> cardboard boxes. Some mattresses are compressed and put into boxes. I’m not
> sure how a compressed foam mattress would behave in a fire situation when
> the box burns away. Ceiling height plays a big role in design requirements.
>
>
> Todd G Williams, PE
>
> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>
> Stonington, CT
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> 860-535-2080 (ofc)
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> 860-554-7054  (fax)
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> 860-608-4559 (cell)
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>
> On Jun 4, 2020 at 9:33 AM, <Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum
> <[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Group A (not 1)
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> *On
> Behalf Of *Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2020 8:32 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Cc:* Matt Grise <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* RE: mattress storage
>
>
>
> Usually exposed, expanded group 1 plastic. NFPA 13 and FM have some
> protection criteria.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> *On
> Behalf Of *Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc. via Sprinklerforum
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 04, 2020 8:00 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Cc:* Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc. <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* mattress storage
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> I need opinions on mattress storage warehouse in furniture store. I have a
> furniture store with a 8000sqft storage area with mattresses stacked on the
> floor to a maximum height of 12 feet.
>
>
>
> Mostly foam mattresses.
>
>
>
> Any idea where I would start to look for the design criteria?
>
>
>
> Any guidance would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
> Troy
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