Kevin, Do FM data sheets now reflect results of these tests?
Best. Bruce Verhei > On 01/26/2021 2:02 PM Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum > <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > > > There is an active FPRF project that addresses storage occupancies and > sloped ceilings. It is currently in its third phase, and there has been > some full scale testing at FM that I have witnessed. We might see some more > options in the 2025 edition of the NFPA 13. > > Kevin Hall, M.Eng, P.E., CWBSP, MSFPE > *Coordinator, Engineering and Technical Services* > > *American Fire Sprinkler Association* > p: 214-349-5971 > w: firesprinkler.org > <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/> > <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/> > <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/> > > > *Expand your design department in 2021!* > AFSA is taking its popular two-week Beginning Fire Sprinkler System > Planning School on the road. From San Diego to Tampa Bay and stops in > between, our technical experts will teach the basics of system layout based > on the 2019 edition of NFPA 13. Space is limited. Enroll today at > https://www.firesprinkler.org/schools > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:45 PM John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > > > Steve is correct. Protection schemes are available to some extent by > > others; but currently not NFPA 13. My only point was to respond to the 30% > > increase due to slope as required by NFPA 13. Engineering judgement or > > other standards will need to be applied to those situations. > > > > The above is my personal opinion as a professional engineer. It has not > > been processed as a formal interpretation in accordance with the NFPA > > Regulations Governing Committee Projects and should therefore not be > > considered, nor relied upon, as the official position of the NFPA or its > > Technical Committees. > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > > John August Denhardt, PE > > *Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services* > > > > *American Fire Sprinkler Association* > > m: p: 301-343-1457 > > 214-349-5965 ext 121 > > w: firesprinkler.org > > <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/> > > <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224> > > < > > https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/ > > > > > <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/> > > > > *Our members are at the heart of everything we do.* > > > > > > *Expand your design department in 2021!* > > AFSA is taking its popular two-week Beginning Fire Sprinkler System > > Planning School on the road. From San Diego to Tampa Bay and stops in > > between, our technical experts will teach the basics of system layout based > > on the 2019 edition of NFPA 13. Space is limited. Enroll today at > > https://www.firesprinkler.org/schools. > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:38 PM Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I assume this statement of intent was added because full-scale fire > > > testing has only been undertaken in test cells that have flat ceilings (I > > > would very much appreciate input from the manufacturing community in that > > > regard). But that doesn't mean that we don't have to fire protect > > storage > > > under sloped roof assemblies because thousands of older buildings with > > > saw-tooth and pitched roofs are used for S-group occupancies, and it > > would > > > be VERY helpful if there was some guidance on how to apply storage > > > sprinklers under those conditions. Whether it's in the standard (even > > > annex material would be of value) or in the manufacturers' tech data > > > sheets, we need SOMETHING, if only to substantiate so called "engineered" > > > approaches to designs that will deliver adequate discharge to stored > > > commodities below. Simplistically disclaiming that there's no > > > consideration given to a particular condition in the standard doesn't > > mean > > > that such a condition can't or doesn't exist. > > > > > > Definitely my opinion only, > > > > > > Steve L. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > > > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John > > > Denhardt via Sprinklerforum > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 8:54 AM > > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > Cc: John Denhardt <jdenha...@firesprinkler.org> > > > Subject: Re: Area Increases > > > > > > As Travis stated, slope ceilings are not covered under the protection > > > schemes of NFPA 13 for "Storage". Thus, the increase does not apply to > > > "Storage" unless miscellaneous or low-piled storage applies. > > > > > > NFPA 13 - 2019: 20.6.1 Ceiling Slope. The sprinkler system criteria > > > specified in Chapters 20 through 25 are intended to apply to buildings > > with > > > ceiling slopes not exceeding 2 in 12 (16.7 percent) unless modified by a > > > specific section in Chapters 20 through 25. > > > > > > > > > *The above is my personal opinion as a professional engineer. It has not > > > been processed as a formal interpretation in accordance with the NFPA > > > Regulations Governing Committee Projects and should therefore not be > > > considered, nor relied upon, as the official position of the NFPA or its > > > Technical Committees.* > > > > > > Thanks, > > > John > > > > > > John August Denhardt, PE > > > *Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services* > > > > > > *American Fire Sprinkler Association* > > > m: p: 301-343-1457 > > > 214-349-5965 ext 121 > > > w: firesprinkler.org > > > <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/> > > > <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224> > > > < > > > > > https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/ > > > > > > > <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/> > > > > > > *Our members are at the heart of everything we do.* > > > > > > *Expand your design department in 2021!* AFSA is taking its popular > > > two-week Beginning Fire Sprinkler System Planning School on the road. > > From > > > San Diego to Tampa Bay and stops in between, our technical experts will > > > teach the basics of system layout based on the 2019 edition of NFPA 13. > > > Space is limited. Enroll today at https://www.firesprinkler.org/schools. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 11:16 AM Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum < > > > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > > > > > > > Slope >2:12 is not allowed for storage. So, you don't apply because > > > > it is not permitted. Dry system increase - yes. > > > > > > > > If you are talking misc storage or low pile where you use the OH or EH > > > > curve then yes, slope and dry increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET > > > > Engineering Manager > > > > MFP Design > > > > 3356 E Vallejo Ct > > > > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > > > > NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700 > > > > NEW MOBILE: 480-272-2471 > > > > mailto:travis.m...@mfpdesign.com > > > > www.mfpdesign.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> > > > > On Behalf Of JD Gamble via Sprinklerforum > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 9:13 AM > > > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > > Cc: JD Gamble <jgam...@lssofsheridan.com> > > > > Subject: Area Increases > > > > > > > > I know this answer is obvious before I even ask the question but for > > > > some reason I am befuddled in brain lock (must be Monday again today) > > > > > > > > Do you have to apply the area increase for dry systems and sloped > > > > ceilings to the area of operation for storage applications? > > > > > > > > > > > > JD Gamble > > > > LSS of Sheridan, Inc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > > mailto:Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > > > er.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > > > > er.org > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
