Yes and Yes Respectfully,
Greg McGahan 4187 Farrington Rd. Milton, FL 32583 P- 850-637-8535 C- 850-712-9555 -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of JD Gamble via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:21 AM To: [email protected] Cc: JD Gamble <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space So, .... if an attic is constructed with a pitch of less than or equal to 2:12 and the depth of that space is less than or equal to 36" from deck to ceiling, then it becomes a horizontal cc space and MUST be protected with listed CC sprinklers? Does that further require that the space now meet the requirements of those CC sprinklers with limitations to area and construction configuration? Draft Curtains? Etc? -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 7:55 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Steve Leyton <[email protected]>; Cary Webber <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space Or to put it another way, if an attic is constructed so that its configuration meets the conditions of 9.3.2, it MUST be protected with listed CC sprinklers. Steve Leyton (Sent from my smartphone; please excuse typos and voice-to-text corruptions.) -------- Original message -------- From: Cary Webber via Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> Date: 1/28/21 6:41 AM (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Cc: Cary Webber <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space I think it's fair to say that an attic (agreeing with Taylor S) is at the top, however, an "attic" can be constructed that meets the definition of a CCS per 9.3.2. Cary Webber CFPS Director, Technical Services Reliable Automatic Sprinkler Co., Inc. 1470 Smith Grove Road, Liberty, SC 29657 Tel: 864-843-5161 -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of JD Gamble via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:37 AM To: [email protected] Cc: JD Gamble <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. So is the space NOT an attic if it has <2:12 pitched roof but meets the other criteria stated in Glossary of terms? -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cary Webber via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 7:34 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Cary Webber <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space CCS style sprinklers are generally listed to a maximum 2:12 pitch so IMO this is the best indicator of the difference between an attic space and a combustible ceiling space requiring special sprinklers; and yes, by requiring special sprinklers in the horizontal CCS 9.3.2 by default prohibits standard spray sprinklers. Cary Webber CFPS Director, Technical Services Reliable Automatic Sprinkler Co., Inc. 1470 Smith Grove Road, Liberty, SC 29657 Tel: 864-843-5161 -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of JD Gamble via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:22 AM To: [email protected] Cc: JD Gamble <[email protected]> Subject: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. NFPA Glossary of Terms 2019 ed. Attic: The space located between the ceiling of a story and the roof directly above that habitable story. Question: When does an attic become a Horizontal CC Space? And vice versa? Question: Do the rules of NFPA 13, 9.3.2 (2019 ed) specifically prohibit the use of standard spray sprinklers for Horizontal CC Spaces? 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