Sorry about not including more information…I was trying to be a bit coy about 
the situation.

These are petroleum pipeline facilities, designed originally in 2014 and just 
now being completed. The Electrical buildings were prefab and certified under 
IBC 2012 as U type buildings. The sync in these is probably okay as internally 
the buildings have a single strobe per room. The pump house buildings are 
70x40, one large hazardous Class I Div II area space, gas alarms are for 
flammable gases and have separate, but co-located strobes. These facilities 
have been classified as H buildings in other states, but generally as U in the 
current location.

For sure the owner wants fire detection and alarm, but generally these 
facilities are unoccupied 24/7 unless there is maintenance to be done. The 
owners spec allows the gas and fire detection and alarm systems to be run 
through the facility PLC and not a fire alarm panel (this is a recent change in 
how they designed things). So now there is a issue with wiring integrity and 
the strobe says can, plus do you worry about syncing the gas strobes too. (The 
strobes are needed as the areas are way too loud to be in without hearing 
protection). UPS is provided to the PLC and 120V circuits.

Figuring out how to help the owner sync the hazardous location 120v strobes in 
my big issue at this point. Any help with some thought now that I’ve actually 
provided perhaps enough information.

All

David Toshio Williams, PE*, FPE – Lead MEP/FP Engineer
(*Registered in MN, WI, MI, IA, IL, IN, ND, VT)
21 West Superior Street, Suite 500, Duluth, MN 55802
Direct 218.279.2436 | Cell 218.310.2446
LHBcorp.com
LHB, Inc. | PERFORMANCE DRIVEN DESIGN.

...sent from the cloud through the tubes!
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From: John Drucker <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: FA not sprinkler question

David,

If your an IBC/IFC state then either chapter 4 or chapter 9, will call out a 
fire alarm system requirement.

As for the strobe, sync is only required where more than two strobes are in the 
field of view from inside the building per NFPA-72.

As for the sync paradigm here’s an interesting discussion

https://forums.thefirepanel.com/t/the-mechanics-of-smartsync/1163/3

Hope that helps,

John Drucker
AHJ Fire and Electrical
New Jersey USA

John Drucker
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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 9:44:07 PM
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Subject: Re: FA not sprinkler question

Gas detection? To me that implies some special former tenant. Or normal CO 
detection? Are there natural gas fired appliances in the space?

Sync. There are more than one options, somewhat dependent on age of system.

By servicing, do you mean space is vacant?

Unless the jurisdiction is huge the fire plan reviewer can probably answer your 
questions about why system is in the particular building without any file 
searching. No sizes, building configuration, occupancy class or so on is 
provided so I wouldn’t expect even a guess on this forum.  In addition fire 
alarm is one area of the fire codes that quite a few cities customize. Was 
system installed as part of an alternative methods and materials trade off? 
Lastly if there was some ability to lessen part of the fire protection system 
in the end only the owner could request it. If next week a new tenant requires 
that same feature no plans reviewer is going to count on a spk contractor 
getting out their checkbook.

Best.

Bruce Verhei


> On 09/17/2021 2:30 PM David Williams via Sprinklerforum 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I’ve been asked to look at a new industrial building, generally unoccupied 
> except for servicing, that has a fire and gas detection system and audible 
> and visual notification devices.
>
> At this point I’m not sure this facility actually requires a FA system, as it 
> might just be an owner requirement. The designers used an industrial 
> hazardous location strobe Crouse-Hinds XB15 (120v) connected to the building 
> PLC and is having issues with integrity testing of the wiring and with 
> syncing of the strobes. If it actually has to be a NFPA 72 system then it’s 
> all going to need to be gutted, but if not can someone explain how “normal” 
> FA strobe and NAC circuits work to sync? Do they use a sync signal, turn on 
> and off the power, or by starting at the same time sync that way?
>
> David Toshio Williams, PE*, FPE – Lead MEP/FP Engineer
> (*Registered in MN, WI, MI, IA, IL, IN, ND, VT)
> 21 West Superior Street, Suite 500, Duluth, MN 55802
> Direct 218.279.2436 | Cell 218.310.2446
> LHBcorp.com<http://www.lhbcorp.com/>
>
> LHB, Inc. | PERFORMANCE DRIVEN DESIGN.
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