Whatever the designer of record wants. Kevin Hall, M.Eng., P.E., ET, CWBSP, PMSFPE *Coordinator, Engineering and Technical Services*
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On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:51 PM Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum < [email protected]> wrote: > Whatever the fire official wants. > > SL > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kyle.Montgomery <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:50 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Spencer Tomlinson <[email protected]>; Steve Leyton < > [email protected]> > Subject: RE: Shoe store complications > > I would assume that there are tons of these that exist with OH2 sprinkler > designs. Are there any examples of fires in any of those and information > about whether the fire was controlled or overwhelmed the sprinklers? If the > theory says it should be protected like Group A plastics, but the history > shows that OH2 has proven sufficient, then what do you do? > > -Kyle M > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Spencer Tomlinson via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 2:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Spencer Tomlinson <[email protected]>; Steve Leyton < > [email protected]> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Shoe store complications > > I have worked with a very large insurer of mall properties that treats the > commodity class of any shoe store as storage of Group A unexpanded > plastics, at whatever height, etc., that applies. > > Spencer Tomlinson, PE > Owner, Fire Protection Engineer > > > Ph: 316-202-6412 > Fax: 316-202-2346 > Cell: 620-955-7293 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 2:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Steve Leyton <[email protected]> > Subject: Shoe store complications > > Has anyone got any experience with design or classification of a discount > shoe store that displays shoes in 8' shelving units? These are particle > board, storage to 10', with shoes on attachments to the front of the > shelving units and densely packed boxes with stock in the shelving. > Today's shoes can be made of textile or leather uppers, but more and more > the inventory is characterized by synthetic materials, often nylon and > polyester materials. Except for traditional dress shoes that may still > have wood or leather soles, most shoes have various densities of foam > layers for inner and middle soles, with rubber outer soles. > > Classifying the mix is challenging because of fast inventory turn-over, > especially the discount chains. Not all are using the taller fixtures, > but many do and we've got fire officials asking for protection of stored > plastics. I can't really impeach that finding since the stores aren't able > to state equivocally what shoes will be in stock at any time. We're > assessing a format that's moving into a retail shell that was a Walgreen's > store and will now be discount shoes with the aforementioned 10' of storage > and a 25' deck height (an existing mezzanine is being demolished so roof is > high for a standalone retail pad). 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