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On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:51 PM Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum <
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> Whatever the fire official wants.
>
> SL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kyle.Montgomery <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:50 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: Spencer Tomlinson <[email protected]>; Steve Leyton <
> [email protected]>
> Subject: RE: Shoe store complications
>
> I would assume that there are tons of these that exist with OH2 sprinkler
> designs. Are there any examples of fires in any of those and information
> about whether the fire was controlled or overwhelmed the sprinklers? If the
> theory says it should be protected like Group A plastics, but the history
> shows that OH2 has proven sufficient, then what do you do?
>
> -Kyle M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On
> Behalf Of Spencer Tomlinson via Sprinklerforum
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 2:04 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: Spencer Tomlinson <[email protected]>; Steve Leyton <
> [email protected]>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Shoe store complications
>
> I have worked with a very large insurer of mall properties that treats the
> commodity class of any shoe store as storage of Group A unexpanded
> plastics, at whatever height, etc., that applies.
>
> Spencer Tomlinson, PE
> Owner, Fire Protection Engineer
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On
> Behalf Of Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 2:59 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: Steve Leyton <[email protected]>
> Subject: Shoe store complications
>
> Has anyone got any experience with design or classification of a discount
> shoe store that displays shoes in 8' shelving units?   These are particle
> board, storage to 10', with shoes on attachments to the front of  the
> shelving units and densely packed boxes with stock in the shelving.
>  Today's shoes can be made of textile or leather uppers, but more and more
> the inventory is characterized by synthetic materials, often nylon and
> polyester materials.   Except for traditional dress shoes that may still
> have wood or leather soles, most shoes have various densities of foam
> layers for inner and middle soles, with rubber outer soles.
>
> Classifying the mix is challenging because of fast inventory turn-over,
> especially the discount chains.   Not all are using the taller fixtures,
> but many do and we've got fire officials asking for protection of stored
> plastics.  I can't really impeach that finding since the stores aren't able
> to state equivocally what shoes will be in stock at any time.   We're
> assessing a format that's moving into a retail shell that was a Walgreen's
> store and will now be discount shoes with the aforementioned 10' of storage
> and a 25' deck height (an existing mezzanine is being demolished so roof is
> high  for a standalone retail pad).    Seems to me that Chapter 20 is the
> way to go and I'd value feedback or additional info it anyone's got
> something to offer.
>
> Thanks,
>
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