As a long-time specifier, I have always subscribed to K.I.S.S. to the greatest extent possible. If CSI had their way, you would have to publish 4 or 5 different sections for the building system and at least two or three for the underground for even the simplest OH2 retail shell. We have a section for private fire mains that includes both hydrants and fire service laterals, which would be two separate sections per the CSI standard form template. We combine sprinklers and standpipes in midrise buildings but do a separate standpipe and water supply section for high-rises that includes the tank. So right there we could have 7 different sections for a high-rise and we have two or three. What's most important is to have lucid, current and correct information regarding best practices, product technologies, basis of design and jurisdictional authorities, particularly if there is 3rd party insurance or risk management.
So if it's "just" a sprinkler system we'll go 21.13.00 but if there are sprinklers and standpipes that we specify separately it might be 21.13.13 and 21.13.14. For private fire mains we use 21.11.19, but for the life of me I can't remember where we got that. We include it in 21 because it's fire protection and not general utilities. Steve Leyton, President Protection Design and Consulting T | 619.255.8964 x 102 | www.protectiondesign.com 2851 Camino Del Rio South | Suite 210 | San Diego, CA 92108 Fire Protection System Design | Consulting | Planning | Training -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Williams via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 8:41 AM To: [email protected] Cc: David Williams <[email protected]> Subject: UFGS spec section 21 13 00.00 40 vs 21 13 13 Am I right in thinking that one should edit 21 13 00.00 40 for the piping leading into the fire riser room and delete the references to the sprinkler system (and any other unused interior piping) and specify the sprinkler system from the riser into the occupied space(s) using 21 13 13? David Toshio Williams, PE*, FPE - Lead MEP/FP Engineer (*Registered in MN, WI, MI, IL, IN, ND, VT) 21 West Superior Street, Suite 500, Duluth, MN 55802 Direct 218.279.2436 | Cell 218.310.2446 LHBcorp.com<http://www.lhbcorp.com/> LHB, Inc. | PERFORMANCE DRIVEN DESIGN. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
