Will your AHJ allow protection layouts from newer versions of NFPA 13? Many of 
them around where we work will allow them. They are tested, published design 
approaches – so AHJ’s are pretty safe in allowing them.

Matt


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Matt-
I will definitely look at the FM sheets. Not up to 2022 edition yet, still on 
2013.

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If you look in the 2022 edition of NFPA 13 or in the most current FM9-8 and 
2-0, this construction method is addressed.

Matt

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Oh Boy this gets more complicated as you look closer.
8.4.6.3.2 the minimum spacing and area of coverage must also comply with 8.12.2 
and 8.12.3.



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8.4.6.3.1

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Todd-
That’s for bar joist & trusses, not solid tee’s.

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Figure A.8.12.2.2.3

Todd G Williams, PE
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Brian
See 8.12.4.1.6 Sprinklers in each bay between beams. The beams act as a baffle.


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NFPA-13 (2016)
8.4.6.3.1 States any solid members over 12” deep must have heads in each bay.
8.4.6.3.2 States to follow minimum spacing rules found in 8.12.2 & 8.12.3. 
Minimum spacing found in 8.12.3.4 calls for 8’.
If I’m working on a warehouse with 22” deep concrete tee’s spaced on 6’ centers 
how do I keep my head from exploding?


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