Could be a closed loop chiller system, allowed by 13, you would have to trace the lines and see if it actually is and if it’s done right. I’ve only seen a couple of them and they never work right, always end up disconnecting the units.
On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 3:36 PM Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com> wrote: > We’re pretty it’s not Kosher because A) it don’t seem right and, B) this > is California and there HAS to be a rule against it, right? > > > > SL > > > > > > *From:* Prahl, Craig <craig.pr...@jacobs.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 09, 2023 2:20 PM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: Non-fire connections > > > > Apparently the flow is low enough not to set off any flow switch? I > wonder if it’s legal from a water consumption point of view if the > sprinkler water isn’t metered? > > > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Fire Protection SME – Special Hazards | > craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.jacobs.com/__;!!KZTdOCjhgt4hgw!-_khxU8gU0_6jc895I7kRbnU8JghRDsWgqOblZ4jr7Qp2IVbR30VYw_hWvNFtphnl0uWpB9KIvbYi1pvZz4$> > > 1041 East Butler Road > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1041+East+Butler+Road+Greenville,+South+Carolina+29606?entry=gmail&source=g> > Greenville, South Carolina > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1041+East+Butler+Road+Greenville,+South+Carolina+29606?entry=gmail&source=g> > 29606 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1041+East+Butler+Road+Greenville,+South+Carolina+29606?entry=gmail&source=g> > > CONTACT BY: Phone 1-864-676-5252, Email or MS TEAMS > > > > > > *From:* Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 9, 2023 5:13 PM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] Re: Non-fire connections > > > > I think these are a two pipe, so unless they also tapped into the > sprinkler system for return, it may go to sanitary? I really don’t know > (and don’t care for purposes of researching a prohibition), just looking > for anything codified as the owner of the building asked the sprinkie when > they discovered the condition. Nobody seems to know how and when it was > installed this way. > > > > Steve > > > > *From:* Prahl, Craig <craig.pr...@jacobs.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 09, 2023 1:54 PM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: Non-fire connections > > > > Yes, serious question, wasn’t sure what kind of “pancake unit” was being > referred to. > > > > So the unit is drawing water off the sprinkler branch line and then doing > what with the water after it goes through the unit? > > > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Fire Protection SME – Special Hazards | > craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.jacobs.com/__;!!KZTdOCjhgt4hgw!-_khxU8gU0_6jc895I7kRbnU8JghRDsWgqOblZ4jr7Qp2IVbR30VYw_hWvNFtphnl0uWpB9KIvbYi1pvZz4$> > > 1041 East Butler Road > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1041+East+Butler+Road+Greenville,+South+Carolina+29606?entry=gmail&source=g> > Greenville, South Carolina > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1041+East+Butler+Road+Greenville,+South+Carolina+29606?entry=gmail&source=g> > 29606 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1041+East+Butler+Road+Greenville,+South+Carolina+29606?entry=gmail&source=g> > > CONTACT BY: Phone 1-864-676-5252, Email or MS TEAMS > > > > > > *From:* Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 9, 2023 4:28 PM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] Re: Non-fire connections > > > > I’m not sure if this is a serious question, but no, it’s an extremely > compact horizontal fan coil unit, aka “pancake style”. They’ve been used > in apartments for many years in applications where soffit depth is limited. > > > > Steve > > > > *From:* Prahl, Craig <craig.pr...@jacobs.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 09, 2023 1:24 PM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: Non-fire connections > > > > Pancake unit? 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