So what is worse, liability for operating outside a standard or the liability for not reporting a dangerous even if it is outside of that standard? Todd Williams
Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-608-4559 > > On Dec 22, 2024 at 8:19 PM, <Matthew Willis1 > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > That is why we operate as Technicians, with predescribed action all written > out for us. > > > > Diligence dictates we cry foul for sure. Just note as an observation. The > NFPA 25 report is not the plcae for it. > > > > Now, this is a bit different in LA. One of the states I worked in as an NFPA > 25 inspector. LA is a life safety state. So, we are Life Safety Inspectors. > There are clear Negligence, and Gross Negligence requirements in obtaining > the State License. > > > > But in the end, operating outside of the adopted, predescribed standard, is > a dangerous liability walk I do not care to take. > > > > R/ > > Matt > > > > > > > > Matthew J. Willis, C.E.T. > > > > Ferguson Fire Design, LLC > > > > D: (602) 337-0721 ((602)%20337-0721)C: (307) 236-8249 ((307)%20236-8249) > > > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Fpdcdesign <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2024 8:14 PM > To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers > <[email protected]> > Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Unprotected areas > > > > > Caution: This email originated from outside of the organization. DO > NOT click links or open attachments unless you recognize and trust the sender. > > > > I understand the requirements and limitations of 25. But let me ask this. If > the inspector notices and obvious problem that is outside of 25 and does not > report it. If a fire occurs that is caused or exacerbated by the problem that > he noticed but did not report, what liability does he have. > > > > As a PE, if I notice a dangerous condition and do not reported, I can be held > liable. > > > > > Todd Williams > > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > > Stonington, CT > > 860-608-4559 > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2024 at 7:57 PM, <Matthew Willis1 > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > Guys, this is a losing battle with Mike. He vents about how crappy our > > jobs are on other social media. > > > > > > > > It's a shame, I used to like corresponding with him. > > > > > > > > Mike, since our industry is so bad, and you are clearly making bank with > > your current position, might I suggest: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.petforums.co.uk/forums/dog-walking.85/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dog Walking - UK Pet Forums Forum > > (https://www.petforums.co.uk/forums/dog-walking.85/) > > > > Discuss everything regarding dog walking, from places to walk your dog, to > > help and advice in starting your own dog walking business. > > > > www.petforums.co.uk (http://www.petforums.co.uk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R/ > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthew J. Willis, C.E.T. > > > > > > > > Ferguson Fire Design, LLC > > > > > > > > D: [(602)%20337-0721](602) 337-0721C: [(307)%20236-8249](307) 236-8249 > > > > > > > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Bob Caputo <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2024 2:41 PM > > To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Unprotected areas > > > > > > > > > > Caution: This email originated from outside of the organization. DO > > NOT click links or open attachments unless you recognize and trust the > > sender. > > > > > > > > Read section 1.1.3 of NFPA 25. You’re inspecting what is there for wear > > and tear purposes. You are not verifying the design or installation of any > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Caputo, CFPS > > > > > > > > > > > > President > > > > > > > > > > > > American Fire Sprinkler Association > > > > > > > > > > > > p: > > > > > > > > 214-349-5965 ext124 > > > > > > > > > > > > w: > > > > > > > > firesprinkler.org (http://firesprinkler.org) > > > > > > > > > > (https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224) > > (https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-) > > (https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Train a safer, more efficient workforce. > > > > > > > > By enrolling your employees in the AFSA Apprenticeship Training Series > > for Sprinkler Fitters > > (https://www.firesprinkler.org/WWW/Education/Apprentice_Training/WWW/Education/Apprenticeship_Training.aspx?hkey=e88ef09e-d74c-407f-abcd-995aff866149), > > you will reap the benefits of a qualified, professional installation crew. > > Well-trained employees will work smarter, increasing your company's > > productivity and, in turn, its profits. Learn more > > (https://www.firesprinkler.org/WWW/Education/Apprentice_Training/WWW/Education/Apprenticeship_Training.aspx?hkey=e88ef09e-d74c-407f-abcd-995aff866149). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 10:35 AM Brandon Bridgford <[email protected] > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > How do you approach unprotected areas in regards to ITM and NFPA 25. I > > > know there was a discussion in the past regarding inspecting a system as > > > is, rather than writing up deficiencies that have to do with system > > > design. I have been told that this can open up more liability if you are > > > not inspecting all design elements (i.e. density, hazard levels, etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > Brandon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > SprinklerForum mailing list: > > > > > > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > [email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected]) > > > _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum > > > mailing list: > > > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > [email protected] > > > _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum > > > mailing list: > > > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > [email protected]
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