This project is located in CT. It consists of a residential group home containing a maximum of 3 residents who are capable of self-rescue. They are considered as receiving custodial care. The Code in effect is the 2022 CT State Building Code, which is based on IBC 2021 with state amendments.
CT Amendment 308.2.4 states that a facility with 3 of fewer persons receiving custodial care shall be an R-3 occupancy. Per IBC Section 903.1.3, 13D shall be permitted for R-3 occupancies. The State requirement for sprinklers in all habitable spaces and 30 minute water supply only applies to R-4 occupancies (amendment 903.2.8.4) I hope this clears up any questions on why 13D. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080) (ofc) 860-554-7054 (tel:860-554-7054) (fax) 860-608-4559 (tel:860-608-4559) (cell) > > On Jan 15, 2025 at 7:07 PM, <Dominick Kasmauskas > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > States like NY State OPWDD have specific rules and do not allow 13D after a > multi fatal fire in Wells NY in 2009. > > > > Was NOT a fire sprinkler issue but steps were taken to step up existing and > future group homes in NY State. > > > > https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/grand-jury-report-wells-group-home-fire-presents-steps-nys-can-take-prevent-similar > > > > > > > Dominick Kasmauskas > Legislative Consultant > American Fire Sprinkler Association (AFSA) > 518.937.4790 > Kingsport, TN > www.FireSprinkler.org (http://www.FireSprinkler.org) > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 18:05 <[email protected] > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Re: NFPA 101 2018 Edition - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 32.2.1.1.1 Residential Board and Care – Small Facilities - limited to not > > more than sixteen (16) residents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 32.2.3.5.3.2 – Small Residential Board and Care Facilities can have an NFPA > > 13D system with the limitations that all habitable areas are sprinklered > > and if there are over eight (8) residents the water supply must be as for > > two-family dwellings plus some attic issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No emergency power requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 32.3.1.1.1 Residential Board and Care – Large Facilities - more than > > sixteen (16) residents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 32.3.3.5.1 requires “full blown” NFPA 13 systems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fire Pump as per NFPA 20 which only requires emergency power if a high-rise > > or power is not considered reliable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: IBC 2021 Edition - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deciding the occupancy classification is much more complicated… > > > > > > > > 1 – 5 occupants - > > R-3 > > NFPA 13D (903.2.8.1) > > > > > > > > 6 – 16 occupants - R-4, > > Condition 1 NFPA 13D (903.2.8.2) > > > > > > > > R-4, Condition 2 NFPA 13R (903.2.8.3) > > > > > > > > More than 16 occupants - > > I-1, Condition 1 NFPA 13R (903.2.6 > > Exception #1) > > > > > > > > > > > > I-1, Condition 2 NFPA 13R (903.2.6 > > Exception #1) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Use Conditions depend on the evacuation capability of the occupants which > > is way out of a sprinkler designer’s wheelhouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone with knowledge of the facility needs to determine the Occupancy > > Classification. A four-bedroom house converted to a Group Home with two > > occupants per bedroom is very likely to be a Group R-4, Condition 2 > > occupancy which will require an NFPA 14R system with a UL Listed Fire Pump > > and an electrical supply that meets the requirements of NFPA 20. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David L. Miller, P.E. > > > > > > > > Engineered Fire Protection, LLC > > > > > > > > 11920 Richcroft Avenue > > (https://www.google.com/maps/search/11920+Richcroft+Avenue+Baton+Rouge,+Louisiana+70814?entry=gmail&source=g) > > > > > > > > Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70814 > > (https://www.google.com/maps/search/11920+Richcroft+Avenue+Baton+Rouge,+Louisiana+70814?entry=gmail&source=g) > > > > > > > > 225-273-5040 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Mike Stewart <[email protected] > > (mailto:[email protected])> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2025 4:19 PM > > To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers > > <[email protected] > > (mailto:[email protected])> > > Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: 13D generator requirements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From my experience Group homes should not fall under 13D. At the very least > > they are a 13R hazard. Even if they are in a standard home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there no engineer of record on this project? And why would a fire > > sprinkler designer be worried about a back up power source? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a permanent back up generator on site? If so did the salesperson > > who bid the project not exclude a transfer switch (being that it’s only a > > 13R system)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have so many questions about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Stewart > > > > > > > > > > > > Dog Walker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 2025, at 8:44 AM, Urso, Paul <[email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would assume if it is a state funded group home that a generator will > > > be installed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not code for the sprinkler system itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul J. 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I have never been > > > asked about it but can’t find much that addresses it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Todd G Williams, PE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stonington, CT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080) (ofc) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 860-554-7054 (tel:860-554-7054) (fax) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 860-608-4559 (tel:860-608-4559) (cell) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > SprinklerForum mailing list: > > > > > > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > [email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Virus-free.www.avast.com > > (https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > SprinklerForum mailing list: > > > > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > [email protected] > > (mailto:[email protected]) > > _________________________________________________________ SprinklerForum > > mailing list: > > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > [email protected]
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