Hi Dan thanks for your comments. It is very encouraging for the developer team to hear about new users (mostly) happy with Spyder.
I am in charge of making the tab ordering for the editor https://github.com/spyder-ide/spyder/pull/2372, but I am not entirely happy with the approach I took so I need to start again. However rest assured that this is something in our radar. Cheers On Wednesday, 30 March 2016 09:21:15 UTC-5, Dan Codiga wrote: > > Thank you for the suggestion about WinPdb. I will try that. I don't use a > debugger a whole lot either. My code is typically just barely complex > enough to need a debugger, but not so simple that I can be productive > without a good IDE (i.e. with just a text editor, or with just ipython > notebook). > > I did go get and try PyCharm (community edition). My experience was not > successful with it yet. As it is mainly built for software developers, not > scientific programmers, I found it frustratingly complex and inflexible. I > don't need the rigidity of keeping all files/folders as a designated > 'project', as it requires. My code is oriented around interactive work, and > is based on ipython (including some of its magic commands)-- neither of > which go well when using the main 'run console' that is the default around > which PyCharm is built. (Unless I am misunderstanding something ... see > https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/requests/655254?flash_digest=f0b9cdbc61c6b9f58c958b0e0c6e3ed5df1a3e23.) > > Furthermore, their debugger may be good but it is only well-integrated with > their 'run console', not necessarily the ipython console, as far as I could > tell. I had some existing code (modest number of files and simple folder > tree) that worked well within Spyder and didn't need to modify the path or > mess with PYTHONPATH or any other environment variables, and I found that > to get it to run inside PyCharm I had to let PyCharm change the path and > use PYTHONPATH. Furthermore my code imported cx_Oracle (a version that > causes no error) but when run in PyCharm that import found and used a > different cx_Oracle, that came with PyCharm, and caused an obscure Win32 > error. > > So for now I am sticking with Spyder. If I find that WinPdb meets my > debugging needs with Spyder, then the main thing about Spyder that I still > find limiting is that I can't reorder tabs in the editor (which of course > PyCharm does rather well). > > > On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 2:28:25 PM UTC-5, Nikolay Karelin wrote: >> >> Hello Dan, >> >> If the debugger in Spyder is limiting for you, you can try WinPdb - it is >> not quite supported, but rather well written. Alternatively, you can use >> some 'real' Python IDE with powerful debugger. I prefer PyCharm (free >> version is ok) for that. >> >> But when I once asked on local Python meetup "Guys, which debugger do you >> prefer?", most of audience told - print or logging is enough except really >> complex situations ;) >> >> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 8:02:24 PM UTC+3, Dan Codiga wrote: >>> >>> I am a scientific programmer with many years of Matlab experience, and >>> have been using Spyder over the past several months as I learn Python and >>> transition to using it instead of Matlab. Overall I am happy with Spyder as >>> an IDE. (Using it on Win7 64bit.) >>> >>> However, there are at least a few aspects that I consider to be >>> important weaknesses. In particular: the debugger is quite limited and >>> frustrating; I can't drag-drop to reorder tabs in the editor; and >>> oftentimes the File Explorer doesn't update (if there is an easy way to >>> trigger an update please point me to it). >>> >>> Will the next release of Spyder (3.0, as I understand it) address these >>> issues? If so, in what ways? >>> >>> And what is the latest guesstimate for when the next release will be out? >>> >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "spyder" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to spyderlib+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to spyderlib@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/spyderlib. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
