right, I had the notion that it meant the JOIN is up at the top but that's 
silly, it works fine so here's the patch without anything "not implemented":

http://www.sqlalchemy.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1859/1859.patch


someone else noted that you can use CTEs with INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE also, that 
will be for another day, similar syntax should work


On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Claudio Freire wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Michael Bayer <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>> OK also, this is ready to go in from my perspective, I don't make usage of 
>> CTEs in my normal work at the moment, so hopefully those people here 
>> interested in the feature can give this a review, maybe even try the patch, 
>> because this will be it !
> 
> Why is joining not supported in that patch?
> 
> I would imagine it should be possible, with explicit join conditions of 
> course.
> 
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