I think I've found what is causing my problems. See 
http://paste.ofcode.org/38cMYRa7u268EsuUnWQXjfg

Also, I want to thank you for you help. It is very much appreciated.

Tim

On Monday, July 23, 2012 10:15:12 PM UTC-4, Michael Bayer wrote:
>
> the sqlalchemy.types.TIMESTAMP type has dbapi.TIMESTAMP established as the 
> DBAPI type object to use.    When the cx_oracle dialect is in use, the 
> cursor.setinputsizes() method is called, passing in a value for every type 
> that has a "dbapi" type defined with it, with the exception of a handful of 
> string types which I've observed cause cx_oracle to make poorer decisions.
>
> So when you use sqlalchemy.types.TIMESTAMP, setinputsizes() should be 
> called for any statement where the type is known.   This should be the case 
> for the version_id criteria used by the ORM.
>
> If you use a TypeDecorator with get_dbapi_type(), that may or may not work 
> in this particular case - it's very possible that your custom TypeDecorator 
> is reduced to its underlying type object before get_dbapi_type() is called.
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Tim wrote:
>
> I used TypeDecorator and get_dbapi_type to return the type object I wanted.
>
> The parameters get the type cx_Oracle.TIMESTAMP for any filtering I do 
> myself, but the ones used in the version feature seem to ignore this and 
> thus still fail to locate the row.
>
> On Friday, July 20, 2012 4:12:45 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>
>> The microseconds are getting in the way and getting rid of them does 
>> work. Unfortunately, the trigger does not get rid of them and there are 
>> several applications which write to these tables and depend on the 
>> microseconds.
>>
>> It seems to work in cx_Oracle if I call the setinputsizes and use 
>> cx_Oracle.TIMESTAMP as the input size. Do you have some suggestions on how 
>> to add this to a custom type, or a decorated type?
>>
>> On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:31:26 AM UTC-4, Michael Bayer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Tim wrote:
>>>
>>> The first thing I did after I started having problems was remove the 
>>> trigger (the above was without the trigger in place).
>>>
>>> That being said, it appears that I am having trouble with cx_Oracle and 
>>> not SQLAlchemy. Using cx_Oracle directly, I can select a row by id, getting 
>>> the timestamp. Then I try to select the row again, this time also using the 
>>> timestamp I just retrieved, and get nothing.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your help.
>>>
>>>
>>> ah - you might want to truncate those microseconds off of your 
>>> timestamp, they're possibly getting in the way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:41:50 PM UTC-4, Michael Bayer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> you'd have to check cx_oracle's behavior here in conjunction with your 
>>>> trigger (I'm assuming you're using a trigger here based on your previous 
>>>> message).   SQLAlchemy, as you can see below, runs the UPDATE statement, 
>>>> adding the current known version to the WHERE criterion.   It then checks 
>>>> the matched row count, which is on the DBAPI as cursor.rowcount, that the 
>>>> row actually matched, indicating that the row intended to be UPDATED was 
>>>> located and in fact had the correct version.  If your trigger is 
>>>> interfering with cx_oracle's ability to return the correct rowcount, then 
>>>> you'd get this issue.   So you'd need to distill your test case into a 
>>>> cx_oracle script that emits the intended UPDATE statement, including the 
>>>> version criterion, and then confirm that cursor.rowcount is in fact 
>>>> returning the correct number.  The trigger you're doing might be getting 
>>>> in 
>>>> the way.
>>>>
>>>> If you aren't using a trigger at all, and this is just default 
>>>> "version" behavior, that should be working as we do have tests here which 
>>>> we run against cx_oracle with success.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Tim wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can not get versioning to work in Oracle (it does work for me in 
>>>> sqlite and Postgresql just changing the connect string).
>>>>
>>>> I am using timestamp with time zones for the version_id_col.  Can 
>>>> anyone verify that this does work.
>>>>
>>>> SQLAlchemy==0.7.8
>>>> cx-Oracle==5.1.2
>>>>
>>>> Python 2.6.6 (r266:84292, Dec 27 2010, 00:02:40) 
>>>> [GCC 4.4.5] on linux2
>>>>
>>>> >>> import ver.models as m; import transaction
>>>> >>> s = m.DBSession()
>>>> >>> i = s.query(m.MyModel).first()
>>>> 2012-07-19 22:32:54,807 INFO  
>>>> [sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine][MainThread] SELECT USER FROM DUAL
>>>> 2012-07-19 22:32:54,807 INFO  
>>>> [sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine][MainThread] {}
>>>> 2012-07-19 22:32:54,818 INFO  
>>>> [sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine][MainThread] BEGIN (implicit)
>>>> 2012-07-19 22:32:54,819 INFO  
>>>> [sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine][MainThread] SELECT models_id, models_name, 
>>>> models_value, models_ins_upd_timestamp 
>>>> FROM (SELECT models.id AS models_id, models.name AS models_name, 
>>>> models.value AS models_value, models.ins_upd_timestamp AS 
>>>> models_ins_upd_timestamp 
>>>> FROM models) 
>>>> WHERE ROWNUM <= :ROWNUM_1
>>>> 2012-07-19 22:32:54,819 INFO  
>>>> [sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine][MainThread] {'ROWNUM_1': 1}
>>>> >>> i.value += 1
>>>> >>> transaction.commit()
>>>> 2012-07-19 22:33:18,656 INFO  
>>>> [sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine][MainThread] UPDATE models SET 
>>>> value=:value, 
>>>> ins_upd_timestamp=:ins_upd_timestamp WHERE models.id = :models_id AND 
>>>> models.ins_upd_timestamp = :models_ins_upd_timestamp
>>>> 2012-07-19 22:33:18,656 INFO  
>>>> [sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine][MainThread] {'ins_upd_timestamp': 
>>>> datetime.datetime(2012, 7, 19, 22, 33, 18, 655856), 
>>>> 'models_ins_upd_timestamp': datetime.datetime(2012, 7, 19, 22, 31, 46, 
>>>> 814740), 'value': 2, 'models_id': 1}
>>>> 2012-07-19 22:33:18,659 INFO  
>>>> [sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine][MainThread] ROLLBACK
>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>   File "<console>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>   File 
>>>> "/home/timw/.virtualenvs/sat/lib/python2.6/site-packages/transaction-1.3.0-py2.6.egg/transaction/_manager.py",
>>>>  
>>>> line 107, in commit
>>>>     return self.get().commit()
>>>>   File 
>>>> "/home/timw/.virtualenvs/sat/lib/python2.6/site-packages/transaction-1.3.0-py2.6.egg/transaction/_transaction.py",
>>>>  
>>>> line 354, in commit
>>>>     reraise(t, v, tb)
>>>>   File 
>>>> "/home/timw/.virtualenvs/sat/lib/python2.6/site-packages/transaction-1.3.0-py2.6.egg/transaction/_transaction.py",
>>>>  
>>>> line 345, in commit
>>>>     self._commitResources()
>>>>   File 
>>>> "/home/timw/.virtualenvs/sat/lib/python2.6/site-packages/transaction-1.3.0-py2.6.egg/transaction/_transaction.py",
>>>>  
>>>> line 493, in _commitResources
>>>>     reraise(t, v, tb)
>>>>   File 
>>>> "/home/timw/.virtualenvs/sat/lib/python2.6/site-packages/transaction-1.3.0-py2.6.egg/transaction/_transaction.py",
>>>>  
>>>> line 465, in _commitResources
>>>>     rm.tpc_begin(self)
>>>>   File 
>>>> "/home/timw/.virtualenvs/sat/lib/python2.6/site-packages/zope.sqlalchemy-0.7.1-py2.6.egg/zope/sqlalchemy/datamanager.py",
>>>>  
>>>> line 86, in tpc_begin
>>>>     self.session.flush()
>>>>   File 
>>>> "/home/timw/.virtualenvs/sat/lib/python2.6/site-packages/SQLAlchemy-0.7.8-py2.6-linux-i686.egg/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py",
>>>>  
>>>> line 1583, in flush
>>>>     self._flush(objects)
>>>>   File 
>>>> "/home/timw/.virtualenvs/sat/lib/python2.6/site-packages/SQLAlchemy-0.7.8-py2.6-linux-i686.egg/sqlalchemy/orm/session.py",
>>>>  
>>>> line 1654, in _flush
>>>>     flush_context.execute()
>>>>   File 
>>>> "/home/timw/.virtualenvs/sat/lib/python2.6/site-packages/SQLAlchemy-0.7.8-py2.6-linux-i686.egg/sqlalchemy/orm/unitofwork.py",
>>>>  
>>>> line 331, in execute
>>>>     rec.execute(self)
>>>>   File 
>>>> "/home/timw/.virtualenvs/sat/lib/python2.6/site-packages/SQLAlchemy-0.7.8-py2.6-linux-i686.egg/sqlalchemy/orm/unitofwork.py",
>>>>  
>>>> line 475, in execute
>>>>     uow
>>>>   File 
>>>> "/home/timw/.virtualenvs/sat/lib/python2.6/site-packages/SQLAlchemy-0.7.8-py2.6-linux-i686.egg/sqlalchemy/orm/persistence.py",
>>>>  
>>>> line 59, in save_obj
>>>>     mapper, table, update)
>>>>   File 
>>>> "/home/timw/.virtualenvs/sat/lib/python2.6/site-packages/SQLAlchemy-0.7.8-py2.6-linux-i686.egg/sqlalchemy/orm/persistence.py",
>>>>  
>>>> line 504, in _emit_update_statements
>>>>     (table.description, len(update), rows))
>>>> StaleDataError: UPDATE statement on table 'models' expected to update 1 
>>>> row(s); 0 were matched.
>>>>
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