yes, persistent_to_detached:
http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/session_events.html#persistent-to-detached

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Jonathan Vanasco <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for all this help, Mike!
>
> On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 8:56:35 PM UTC-4, Mike Bayer wrote:
>>
>> at what "moment in time"?    I thought you might mean when they are
>> expired from the Session, easy enough use the expire event
>>
>> http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/events.html?highlight=expire%20event#sqlalchemy.orm.events.InstanceEvents.expire
>> but then you are saying "detached by their nature", as though they are
>> created that way.
>
>
> This event looks like what I need. I'll add it into my debugger's code
> tomorrow!  one of the `persistent_to_` events might be better... more below.
>
>>
>> inspect(instance).expired_attributes
>
>
> The inspector would have been a better idea. I got lazy and was just going
> through the object in pdb!
>
>>
>> but when you say "dead weakref" I think we are again getting at this
>> "moment in time" you refer towards
>> ...
>> preserve it from....when ?   when is it there?   why did it go away ?
>
>
> The debugging tool essentially decorates a web request with a
> middleware-like context-wrapper like flow, then allows it to be inspected in
> another browser window.  The particular functionality I'm working with
> stashes some ORM objects onto the request record, and a custom debugging
> panel is used to audit/inspect the objects that were stashed on the request
> (the last 20 requests are stored in-memory and available to the debugging
> tool).  'By their inherent nature' meant everything in the debugger tool
> occurred in a session that had previously ended with an explicit `close()`.
>
> The flow looks like this:
>
> * request made
> * debugger wrapper starts
> ** sqlalchemy session starts
> *** activity
> ** sqlalchemy session close()
> * debugger wrapper cleanup
> * debugger wrapper ends
>
> So I'm basically trying to access the object's state in `*** activity` prior
> to `** close`
>
> The events look right.  If I can't hack something with them, I'll just stash
> a dict of the object if there is a flag for the dev environment present.
>
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