On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 2:57 PM Alex Rothberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I actually have that newest warning about "'passive_deletes' is normally 
> configured on..." coming up in quite a few places in my codebase, In those 
> cases I had added passive_deletes for the same reason as here: to avoid a 
> load in the case of a delete. In some / many of those other places, I don't 
> have overlapping fks.
>
> I guess to make my earlier point more clear: is there any chance we could add 
> a flag, etc allowing a viewonly=False but where all of the fks are not set by 
> relationship?

If we are talking about changing the library, then we should work on
solving use cases, not allowing for hacks to not raise warnings.


>
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 2:54:18 PM UTC-4, Mike Bayer wrote:
>>
>> the warnings here are really just to prevent a whole set of very
>> common mistakes - if the usage was never valid, then it would be
>> raising an error.  You're doing something that nobody ever does which
>> is have two foreign keys on the same columns, so none of these
>> warnings apply.   i dont know what other approach SQLAlchemy could
>> have for this kind of thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 2:08 PM Alex Rothberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Adding the passive delete fixes the raise load but adds yet another 
>> > warning from sqla:
>> >
>> > sqlalchemy/orm/relationships.py:1790: SAWarning: On 
>> > Employee._ft_for_dependency, 'passive_deletes' is normally configured on 
>> > one-to-many, one-to-one, many-to-many relationships only.
>> >
>> > Looking at this:
>> > @event.listens_for(Session, "before_flush")
>> > def _add_dep(session, context, objects):
>> >     context.dependencies.update([
>> >         (
>> >             unitofwork.SaveUpdateAll(context, inspect(FundTitle)),
>> >             unitofwork.SaveUpdateAll(context, inspect(Employee))
>> >         )
>> >     ])
>> >
>> > do I not have to mark one Model as dependent on the other? Or is that 
>> > implied by the order of the list?
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 1:36:09 PM UTC-4, Mike Bayer wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM Alex Rothberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Well the other way doesn't quite work as if I mark none of the columns 
>> >> > as foreign in the primary join, sqla then assumes / guesses all of them 
>> >> > are.
>> >>
>> >> that is the case, that is code that has changed a lot over the years
>> >> so it has a lot of baggage.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Let me test with passive.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018, 13:30 Mike Bayer <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:27 PM Alex Rothberg <[email protected]> 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > And I'll reiterate, not worth doing it all from the original single 
>> >> >> > relationship (ie not needing to either add more relationships, have 
>> >> >> > warnings or use the more obscure feature you outlined)? Seems like 
>> >> >> > that would be cleaner in code.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> you mean take the viewonly=True off the existing relationship?  sure
>> >> >> you can do that.  but if you mutate the elements in that collection,
>> >> >> you can incur a change that is conflicting with the other objects.
>> >> >> that's why I suggested making the non-viewonly a private member, but
>> >> >> either way works.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018, 13:17 Mike Bayer <[email protected]> 
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> the raise load issue is because without passive_deletes, it has to
>> >> >> >> load the collection to make sure those objects are all updated.
>> >> >> >> passive_deletes fixes, now you just have a warning.  or use the unit
>> >> >> >> of work recipe which is more direct.
>> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:15 PM Alex Rothberg <[email protected]> 
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Not just for warning. Also this raise load issue. yes, i see that 
>> >> >> >> > I can't mark none. If I could though, that would be awesome since 
>> >> >> >> > I think it would solve this problem? I can test by setting one 
>> >> >> >> > foreign and seeing if that works.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 1:13:32 PM UTC-4, Mike Bayer 
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:56 PM Alex Rothberg 
>> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > let me get that. in the meantime, what are your thoughts on 
>> >> >> >> >> > just removing the view only from the original relationship and 
>> >> >> >> >> > then using an explicit primary join where none of the columns 
>> >> >> >> >> > are marked foreign? Theoretically that should solve this 
>> >> >> >> >> > problem, no?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> is this just for the warning?    I don't think the 
>> >> >> >> >> relationship() can
>> >> >> >> >> be set up with no columns marked as foreign, it takes that as a 
>> >> >> >> >> cue
>> >> >> >> >> that it should figure out the "foreign" columns on its own.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> There's another way to make sure Employee is always dependent on
>> >> >> >> >> FundTitle but it's a little bit off-label.     Add the 
>> >> >> >> >> dependency you
>> >> >> >> >> want directly into the unit of work:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> from sqlalchemy.orm import unitofwork
>> >> >> >> >> from sqlalchemy import event
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> @event.listens_for(Session, "before_flush")
>> >> >> >> >> def _add_dep(session, context, objects):
>> >> >> >> >>     context.dependencies.update([
>> >> >> >> >>         (
>> >> >> >> >>             unitofwork.SaveUpdateAll(context, 
>> >> >> >> >> inspect(FundTitle)),
>> >> >> >> >>             unitofwork.SaveUpdateAll(context, inspect(Employee))
>> >> >> >> >>         )
>> >> >> >> >>     ])
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:41:25 PM UTC-4, Alex 
>> >> >> >> >> > Rothberg wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Is it possible to specific a non viewonly relationship in 
>> >> >> >> >> >> which I have a primary join specified in which none of the 
>> >> >> >> >> >> fk's are marked "foreign"? ie where I can mark the 
>> >> >> >> >> >> relationship dependancy but it wont set any columns? It looks 
>> >> >> >> >> >> like there may be some logic in sqla that assume all columns 
>> >> >> >> >> >> are fk if none are specified as foreign?
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 11:56:49 AM UTC-4, Alex 
>> >> >> >> >> >> Rothberg wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> So one minor issue and one big issue with that solution:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> 1. minor issue, I now get these: SAWarning: relationship 
>> >> >> >> >> >>> 'XXXX' will copy columnYYYY to column ZZZZ, which conflicts 
>> >> >> >> >> >>> with relationship(s): '....
>> >> >> >> >> >>> 2. major issue, I use raiseload("*") and now I start seeing: 
>> >> >> >> >> >>> sqlalchemy.exc.InvalidRequestError: 
>> >> >> >> >> >>> 'Employee._ft_for_dependency' is not available due to 
>> >> >> >> >> >>> lazy='raise'
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 9:57:55 AM UTC-4, Mike 
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Bayer wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 6:45 PM Alex Rothberg 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > Okay with some small tweaks to your original code, I am 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > able to show the issue I am having. comment out flush to 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > see issue:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> so what you're doing here is making Employee dependent on 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> FundTitle,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> which makes this a little out of the ordinary but this is 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> fine.   You
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> need to give the ORM a clue that this dependency exists, 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> since it
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> never looks at foreign key constraints unless you tell it 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> to.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Adding a relationship to FundTitle that doesn't have 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> viewonly=True is
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> an easy way to do this, there's no need to ever make use of 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> relationship otherwise:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> class Employee(Base):
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>     __tablename__ = 'employee'
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>     # ...
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>     fund_title = relationship(FundTitle, viewonly=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>     _ft_for_dependency = relationship(FundTitle)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>     __table_args__ = (
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>         ForeignKeyConstraint(
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>             (title_id, department_id, fund_id),
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>             (FundTitle.title_id, FundTitle.department_id, 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> FundTitle.fund_id)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>         ),
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>     )
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> then you can take the flush() out and there's no issue, as 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> long as
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> you're always making sure that FundTitle object is present 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> either in
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> the current Session or the row in the database exists.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > from sqlalchemy import *
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > from sqlalchemy.orm import *
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > from sqlalchemy.ext.declarative import declarative_base
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > Base = declarative_base()
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > class Title(Base):
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     __tablename__ = 'title'
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     department_id = Column(ForeignKey('department.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     department = relationship(lambda: Department)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > class Department(Base):
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     __tablename__ = 'department'
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > class Fund(Base):
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     __tablename__ = 'fund'
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     title_id = Column(ForeignKey('title.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     department_id = Column(ForeignKey('department.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     department = relationship("Department")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     title = relationship("Title")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > class FundTitle(Base):
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     __tablename__ = 'fund_title'
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     title_id = Column(ForeignKey('title.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     department_id = Column(ForeignKey('department.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     fund_id = Column(ForeignKey('fund.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     department = relationship("Department")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     title = relationship("Title")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     fund = relationship("Fund")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     __table_args__ = (
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >         UniqueConstraint(
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >             title_id, department_id, fund_id
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >         ),
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     )
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > class Employee(Base):
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     __tablename__ = 'employee'
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     title_id = Column(ForeignKey('title.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     department_id = Column(ForeignKey('department.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     fund_id = Column(ForeignKey('fund.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     department = relationship(lambda: Department)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     title = relationship("Title")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     fund = relationship("Fund")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     fund_title = relationship(FundTitle, viewonly=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     __table_args__ = (
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >         ForeignKeyConstraint(
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >             (title_id, department_id, fund_id), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > (FundTitle.title_id, FundTitle.department_id, 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > FundTitle.fund_id)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >         ),
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     )
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > e = create_engine("postgresql://localhost/test_issue", 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > echo=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > # Base.metadata.drop_all(e)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > Base.metadata.create_all(e)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > s = Session(e)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > # s.rollback()
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > while True:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     d1 = Department()
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     t1 = Title(department=d1)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     f1 = Fund(department=d1, title=t1)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     ft1 = FundTitle(title=t1, department=d1, fund=f1)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     s.add_all([d1, t1, f1,  ft1])
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     s.flush()
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     e1 = Employee(title=t1, department=d1, fund=f1)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     s.add_all([e1,])
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >     s.commit()
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:20:30 PM UTC-4, Mike 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> > Bayer wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:44 AM Alex Rothberg 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > In looking at what you wrote doesn't this cause an fk 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > violation (it does for me):
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > 2018-10-08 10:18:38,760 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine INSERT INTO employee 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > (title_id, department_id, fund_id) VALUES 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > (%(title_id)s, %(department_id)s, %(fund_id)s) 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > RETURNING employee.id
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > 2018-10-08 10:18:38,763 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine INSERT INTO fund_title 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > (title_id, department_id, fund_id) VALUES 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > (%(title_id)s, %(department_id)s, %(fund_id)s) 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > RETURNING fund_title.id
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > in that a a (non deferred) fk is violated between 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > employee and fund_title ?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> see we need to see how youve laid out your 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> ForeignKeyConstraints, if
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> they are composite and overlapping, there are additional 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> options that
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> may be needed (specifically the post_update flag).  
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> you'll note I laid
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> out all FKs as single column.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:20 AM Mike Bayer 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 7:11 PM Alex Rothberg 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > Okay so I investigated / thought about this 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > further. The issue is that while I do have a 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > relationship between the various models, some of 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > the relationships are viewonly since I have 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > overlapping fks.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > For example I have a model Employee, which has fks: 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > department_id, title_id, and fund_id. The related 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > models are Department (fk department_id), Title (fk 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > department_id and title_id) , Fund (fk fund_id) and 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > FundTitle (fk department_id, title_id and fund_id). 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > I have set FundTitle to viewonly. When updating / 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > creating an Employee, I do create and add a new 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > FundTitle to the session, however I don't assign it 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > to the employee as the relationship is viewonly. If 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > I don't flush before making the assignment, the 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > final flush / commit attempts to update / create 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > the employee before creating the FundTitle.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> let's work with source code that is runnable (e.g. 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> MCVE).   Below is
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> the model that it seems you are describing, and then 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> there's a
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> demonstration of assembly of all those components 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> using relationships,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> a single flush and it all goes in in the correct 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> order, all FKs are
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> nullable=False.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> from sqlalchemy import *
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> from sqlalchemy.orm import *
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> from sqlalchemy.ext.declarative import 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> declarative_base
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> Base = declarative_base()
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> class Employee(Base):
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     __tablename__ = 'employee'
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     title_id = Column(ForeignKey('title.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     department_id = 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> Column(ForeignKey('department.id'), nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     fund_id = Column(ForeignKey('fund.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     department = relationship("Department")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     title = relationship("Title")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     fund = relationship("Fund")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> class Title(Base):
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     __tablename__ = 'title'
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     department_id = 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> Column(ForeignKey('department.id'), nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     department = relationship("Department")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> class Department(Base):
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     __tablename__ = 'department'
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> class Fund(Base):
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     __tablename__ = 'fund'
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     title_id = Column(ForeignKey('title.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     department_id = 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> Column(ForeignKey('department.id'), nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     department = relationship("Department")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     title = relationship("Title")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> class FundTitle(Base):
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     __tablename__ = 'fund_title'
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     id = Column(Integer, primary_key=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     title_id = Column(ForeignKey('title.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     department_id = 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> Column(ForeignKey('department.id'), nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     fund_id = Column(ForeignKey('fund.id'), 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> nullable=False)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     department = relationship("Department")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     title = relationship("Title")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>     fund = relationship("Fund")
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> e = 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> create_engine("postgresql://scott:tiger@localhost/test",
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>  echo=True)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> Base.metadata.create_all(e)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> s = Session(e)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> d1 = Department()
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> t1 = Title(department=d1)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> f1 = Fund(department=d1, title=t1)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> ft1 = FundTitle(title=t1, department=d1, fund=f1)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> e1 = Employee(title=t1, department=d1, fund=f1)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> s.add_all([d1, t1, f1, ft1, e1])
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> s.commit()
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> the INSERTs can be ordered naturally here and the 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> unit of work will do
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> that for you if you use relationship:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> BEGIN (implicit)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2018-10-08 10:18:38,750 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine INSERT INTO
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> department DEFAULT VALUES RETURNING department.id
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2018-10-08 10:18:38,750 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine {}
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2018-10-08 10:18:38,753 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine INSERT INTO
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> title (department_id) VALUES (%(department_id)s) 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> RETURNING title.id
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2018-10-08 10:18:38,753 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine {'department_id': 1}
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2018-10-08 10:18:38,757 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine INSERT INTO
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> fund (title_id, department_id) VALUES (%(title_id)s,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> %(department_id)s) RETURNING fund.id
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2018-10-08 10:18:38,757 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> {'title_id': 1, 'department_id': 1}
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2018-10-08 10:18:38,760 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine INSERT INTO
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> employee (title_id, department_id, fund_id) VALUES 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> (%(title_id)s,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> %(department_id)s, %(fund_id)s) RETURNING employee.id
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2018-10-08 10:18:38,761 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> {'title_id': 1, 'department_id': 1, 'fund_id': 1}
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2018-10-08 10:18:38,763 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine INSERT INTO
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> fund_title (title_id, department_id, fund_id) VALUES 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> (%(title_id)s,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> %(department_id)s, %(fund_id)s) RETURNING 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> fund_title.id
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2018-10-08 10:18:38,764 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> {'title_id': 1, 'department_id': 1, 'fund_id': 1}
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> 2018-10-08 10:18:38,766 INFO 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> sqlalchemy.engine.base.Engine COMMIT
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 9:02:30 AM UTC-4, 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > Mike Bayer wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> if there are no dependencies between two 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> particular objects of
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> different classes, say A and B, then there is no 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> deterministic
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> ordering between them.   For objects of the same 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> class, they are
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> inserted in the order in which they were added to 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> the Session.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> the correct way to solve this problem in 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> SQLAlchemy is to use
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> relationship() fully.  I know you've stated that 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> these objects have a
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> relationship() between them but you have to 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> actually use it, that is:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> obj_a = A()
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> obj_b = B()
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> obj_a.some_relationship = obj_b   # will 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> definitely flush correctly
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> unless there is a bug
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> OTOH if you are only using foreign key attributes, 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> the ORM does *not*
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> have any idea in how it should be flushing these:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> obj_a = A()
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> obj_b = B()
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> obj_a.some_fk = obj_b.some_id    # ORM doesn't 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> care about this, no
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> ordering is implied
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> since you said you're not setting any IDs, I'm not 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> sure how you could
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> be doing the above.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:53 AM Simon King 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > It's not something I've ever looked into, but 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > I'm not aware of any
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > debugging options here, no. You'd probably want 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > to start by scattering
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > print statements around the UOWTransaction class
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > (https://bitbucket.org/zzzeek/sqlalchemy/src/c94d67892e68ac317d72eb202cca427084b3ca74/lib/sqlalchemy/orm/unitofwork.py?at=master&fileviewer=file-view-default#unitofwork.py-111)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > Looking at that code made me wonder whether 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > you've set any particular
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > cascade options on your relationship; I'm not 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > sure if cascade options
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > affect the dependency calculation.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > Simon
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:28 AM Alex Rothberg 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > > In order to guide me in stripping down this 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > > code to produce an example for positing, are 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > > there any options / flags / introspections I 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > > can turn on to understand how sql makes 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > > decisions about the order in which is writes 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > > statements to the DB?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > > On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 10:13:45 AM 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > > UTC-4, Simon King wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> In that case can you show us the code that is 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> causing the problem?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 2:55 PM Alex Rothberg 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> > I am not generating any IDs myself and I 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> > already have relationships between the 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> > models.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> > On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 4:33:08 AM 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> > UTC-4, Simon King wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:50 PM Alex 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> Rothberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > Is it possible to hint at sqla the order 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > in which it should write out changes to 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > the DB?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > I am having issues in which I add two 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > new objects to a session, a and b where 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > a depends on b, but sqla is flushing a 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > before b leading to an fk issue. I can 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > solve this a few ways: explicitly 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > calling flush after adding b, or 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > changing the fk constraint to be 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > initially deferred. Ideally I would not 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > have to do either of these.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> If you have configured a relationship 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> between the two classes
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> (http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/tutorial.html#building-a-relationship),
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> and you've linked the objects together 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> using that relationship (a.b =
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> b), then SQLAlchemy will flush them in the 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> correct order. If you are
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> generating your IDs in Python and 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> assigning them to the primary and
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> foreign key columns directly, SQLAlchemy 
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> probably won't understand the
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> dependency.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> Does using a relationship fix your problem?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> Simon
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