Thank you for your comments. My target is developers, particularly those who are strong on the business domain knowledge and UI/UX, but not so strong on the database stuff. My aim is that they can write code to do sophisticated queries and data manipulation without becoming an SQL guru and without needing to master an ORM. Your mum is not on my list, sorry.
Regards David M Bennett FACS Andl - A New Database Language - andl.org -----Original Message----- From: sqlite-users-boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org [mailto:sqlite-users-bounces at mailinglists.sqlite.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Moules Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 1:33 AM To: 'General Discussion of SQLite Database' Subject: Re: [sqlite] Mozilla wiki 'avoid SQLite' > The question is: what should a database language do? Andl can already match or surpass SQL on database programming tasks, but is that interesting enough? As much as anything, that depends on what problem you're targeting, and even your audience. At the risk of rekindling the High/low/assembly level discussion, certainly at the high level, languages generally all have different design goals, and because of this they appeal to different people. This list appears to have a very high proportion of computer science types, so we see discussions about recursions and "syntactic sugar" and all that jazz; conversely, ask on a list for web-developers and you'll get a very different set of answers. Personally, as someone whose SQL-fu is weak, and who isn't a computer scientist, one of the best things about SQL is that it's English-like and there's a very low barrier to entry. Consider this statement, which is about as complex as 90% of my SQL ever gets: SELECT * from buildings where height > 30 and colour = 'mauve' With just 2 minutes of explaining I could probably get my mum to understand what was going on there. Ok, that's an unrealistically low bar, but many people who use SQL just have simple queries/problems. While I appreciate andl doesn't have documentation yet, it doesn't look like it will pass the "not a computer scientist" test for usability. Just my 2c. Cheers, Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: sqlite-users-boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org [mailto:sqlite-users-bounces at mailinglists.sqlite.org] On Behalf Of david at andl.org Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:57 AM To: ajm at zator.com; 'General Discussion of SQLite Database' Subject: Re: [sqlite] Mozilla wiki 'avoid SQLite' >>>I think the best database language should reflect how earthlings >>>think about the data, and the best computer programming language would reflect easily the result we want get from them. Care to expand on that? I'm developing a new database language: Andl. My starting point has been the relational model, Codd-Date-Darwen and The Third Manifesto. My (only) competitor seems to be SQL, which has a 40+ year lead. Nothing like a challenge! The question is: what should a database language do? Andl can already match or surpass SQL on database programming tasks, but is that interesting enough? What would make a database programming better, or best? Regards David M Bennett FACS Andl - A New Database Language - andl.org _______________________________________________ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users at mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com Click https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/43VYmEOYO7bGX2PQPOmvUj!GOBh06pKK8EdQhM6i4Fvmo G0cFV2y0WTEr3dfsj1m6uKlINFphbL3KeH4!zzvzA== to report this email as spam. ________________________________ HR Wallingford and its subsidiaries uses faxes and emails for confidential and legally privileged business communications. They do not of themselves create legal commitments. Disclosure to parties other than addressees requires our specific consent. We are not liable for unauthorised disclosures nor reliance upon them. If you have received this message in error please advise us immediately and destroy all copies of it. HR Wallingford Limited Howbery Park, Wallingford, Oxfordshire, OX10 8BA, United Kingdom Registered in England No. 02562099 ________________________________ _______________________________________________ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users at mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
