JeffNK wrote: 
> Can't get either to work.  And can't work out what it is in Kaspersky
> that's stopping it.  I've turned off every Kaspersky protection
> component one at a time and in combination and LMS still will not load. 
> Turn protection off altogether and it does load.  Most strange.

Turning off Kaspersky does not really work, you need to uninstall it

http://support.kaspersky.com/common/service


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