Any Idea as to what could be the issue - since the last post 2 days ago the 
memory footprint has increased by 1.2GB to 9424592Kb.
With now 788561 hot objects (from 651556)

The number of StoreEntry-pool objects (which I assume is the number of real 
objects in memory cache) has even decreased (from 173746 to 173624).

I created a full dump of mgr:vm_objects and there I find 789431 KEYS (so in 
principle close to the number of hot objects).
The question is: could we infer some information from this output?

Here some statistics on those Objects:
Distribution of 1st line after KEY:
Count           line1
 718698                 STORE_OK      IN_MEMORY     SWAPOUT_DONE PING_DONE
  63156                 STORE_OK      IN_MEMORY     SWAPOUT_DONE PING_NONE
   7516                 STORE_OK      IN_MEMORY     SWAPOUT_NONE PING_DONE
     51                 STORE_OK      IN_MEMORY     SWAPOUT_NONE PING_NONE
      6                 STORE_OK      NOT_IN_MEMORY SWAPOUT_NONE PING_DONE
      3                 STORE_PENDING NOT_IN_MEMORY SWAPOUT_NONE PING_DONE
      1                 STORE_PENDING NOT_IN_MEMORY SWAPOUT_NONE PING_NONE

Distribution of 2nd line after KEY:
Count           line2
 515372 REVALIDATE,CACHABLE,DISPATCHED,VALIDATED
 237538 CACHABLE,DISPATCHED,VALIDATED
  28944         CACHABLE,VALIDATED
   7048         CACHABLE,DISPATCHED,NEGCACHED,VALIDATED
    468         REVALIDATE,CACHABLE,DISPATCHED,NEGCACHED,VALIDATED
     51         SPECIAL,CACHABLE,VALIDATED
      5         RELEASE_REQUEST,DISPATCHED,PRIVATE,VALIDATED
      2         REVALIDATE,RELEASE_REQUEST,DISPATCHED,PRIVATE,VALIDATED
      2         CACHABLE,DISPATCHED,PRIVATE,FWD_HDR_WAIT,VALIDATED
      1         DELAY_SENDING,RELEASE_REQUEST,PRIVATE,VALIDATED

Here the count of objects that have the same URL:
Obj_count number of URL occurences
720711 1
  23276 2
   2216 3
   1134 4
    588 5
    283 6
    214 7
    111 8
     72 9
     70 10
     81 11
     37 12
     30 13
     21 14
      4 15
      2 16
      3 17
      5 18
     10 19
      1 20
      1 21
      1 22
      2 25
      2 28
(>1 would indicate a VARY policy is in place and we have multiple objects)

Objects with vary_headers in object: 40591

If I sum up the "inmem_hi:" values I get: 2918369522, so 2.9GB.

So it seems as if there must be some major overhead for those inmem objects...

If I look at "locks, * clients, * refs" and there specifically at the refs 
value I get the following distribution:
Obj_count ref_val
  12240 0
 592487 1
  78355 2
  25285 3
  12901 4
   8173 5
   5787 6
   4100 7
   3143 8
   2541 9
   2318 10
   1859 11
   1725 12
   1470 13
   1275 14
   1231 15
   1042 16
    867 17
    853 18
    723 19
    643 20
    669 21
    631 22
    574 23
    496 24
    469 25
    431 26
    423 27
    464 28
    394 29
    357 30
    368 31
    350 32
    315 33
    330 34
    280 35
    299 36
    239 37
    264 38
    218 39
...
      1 65000
      1 65017
      1 65028
      1 65074
      1 65089
      1 65183
      1 65248
      1 65299
      1 65364
      1 65521

As for Expiry-times - here the Expiry-time in days relative to "now" with the 
number of objects in cache:
Obj_count EXP days in the past
  42511   -16267
  12585    -6199
      1     -209
      1     -172
      1     -171
      2     -169
      1     -157
      1     -149
   1635      -85
   2233      -84
    701      -83
    388      -82
    336      -81
    234      -80
    175      -79
    139      -78
     88      -77
     85      -76
     63      -75
     82      -74
     58      -73
     48      -72
     49      -71
     49      -70
     32      -69
     50      -68
     20      -67
     25      -66
     32      -65
     49      -64
     22      -63
     39      -62
     32      -61
     32      -60
     19      -59
     13      -58
      9      -57
     10      -56
     24      -55
     14      -54
     47      -53
     24      -52
     27      -51
     24      -50
     17      -49
     36      -48
     75      -47
     38      -46
     58      -45
     61      -44
     14      -43
     55      -42
     23      -41
     27      -40
     42      -39
     53      -38
     46      -37
     68      -36
    101      -35
     52      -34
     52      -33
     35      -32
     88      -31
     39      -30
     39      -29
     58      -28
     86      -27
     77      -26
     83      -25
     83      -24
     77      -23
     79      -22
    123      -21
    123      -20
    176      -19
    128      -18
    170      -17
    141      -16
    153      -15
    144      -14
    101      -13
    122      -12
    342      -11
    220      -10
    177       -9
    212       -8
  27001       -7
  61767       -6
  71550       -5
  79084       -4
  82293       -3
  91091       -2
113077       -1
102432       -0
  79068        0
  13197        1
      1        8
    286      168
    121      169
     57      170
     30      171
     17      172
    114      173
    610      174
    656      175
    325      176
    169      177
    245      178
    198      179
     55      180
     30      233
      7      234
      3      246
      3      269
      1      288
      1      317
      1      331
      1      336
      1      340
      1      343
      3      349
      3      350
      1      352
      1      353
      1      355
      4      358
      2      360
      1      361
      2      362
      3      363
      2      364
      7      365
      3     3376
      1     3650

So of all the all the 789431 objects  694199 Objects have EX:... in the past - 
that is 88% of all objects!
And 65904 of those have an expiry date older than the start of the squid 
process.

LastUpdated distribution shows: the following distribution:
Obj_count last updated:
    195        0
   6056       -0
  10468       -1
   6085       -2
   4321       -3
   8896       -4
   5172       -5
   7925       -6
  13158       -7
   9479       -8
   1368       -9
    826      -10
    681      -11
    376      -12
   2489      -13
     63      -14
   9305      -15
   1912      -16
   1804      -18
    630      -19
   2982      -20
     11      -21
   1171      -22
   4629      -23
      1      -24
   7194      -25
    275      -27
      4      -28
  12798      -29
   3024      -30
   5054      -32
...
      1    -3288
      1    -3290
      1    -3307
      6    -3327
      4    -3374
     33    -3375
      3    -3381
     25    -3390
      2    -4547
 164525   -16267

And Last referenced:
Objcount days ago
  36823        0
140468       -0
127974       -1
 104453       -2
  86550       -3
  87259       -4
  79582       -5
  77286       -6
  49036       -7

In summary the way that I interpret it is:
* it seems as if the memory_overhead per cache_object is quite high
* there seem to be a lot of objects that have expired but have never been 
evicted from cache
* possibly eviction does not happen because the calculated cache size is only 
2.9GB with 4GB being configured as Max memory...

So the question is: why do we underestimate memory_object sizes by a factor of 
aproximately 2?

Does this help with the analysis?

Thanks,
        Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Sperl 
Sent: Montag, 14. Juli 2014 13:37
To: Amos Jeffries; squid-users@squid-cache.org
Subject: RE: [squid-users] squid: Memory utilization higher than expected since 
moving from 3.3 to 3.4 and Vary: working

Hi!

I did a bit of an analysis of the data gathered so far.

Current status: 8236072KB of allocated memory by squid since restart of squid 
on the 8th, so about 5-6 days.

The following memory pools have most of an increase in the last 2 days (>100kB):
Type-date               KB-20140712     KB-20140714     KB-Delta        
Cnt-20140712    Cnt-20140714    Cnt-Delta
Total                           5629096 7494319 1865223 26439770        
33704210        7264440
mem_node                2375038 3192370 817332  588017  790374  202357
4K Buffer                       1138460 1499996 361536  284615  374999  90384
Short Strings           456219  606107  149888  11679188        15516319        
3837131
16K Buffer              213120  323120  110000  13320           20195           
6875
HttpHeaderEntry         312495  415162  102667  5714194 7591516 1877322
2K Buffer                       249876  351226  101350  124938  175613  50675
8K Buffer                       135944  182360  46416           16993           
22795           5802
HttpReply               133991  178174  44183           490023  651607  161584
MemObject               114845  152713  37868           490004  651575  161571
Medium Strings          90893           120859  29966           727141  966866  
239725
cbdata BodyPipe (39)    65367           88238           22871           440363  
594443  154080
HttpHdrCc               41486           55327           13841           442515  
590153  147638
32K Buffer              23584           35360           11776           737     
        1105            368
cbdata MemBuf (13)      30627           40726           10099           490026  
651615  161589
LRU policy node         46068           49871           3803            1965553 
2127797 162244
64K Buffer              1664            2240            576             26      
        35              9
Long Strings            1444            2007            563             2888    
        4014            1126
StoreEntry              173530  173746  216             1480781 1482628 1847

All of those have linear increases.
They also show similar "wavy" behavior - when one has a "bump" then some of the 
others also have a Bump.

So now there are several "groups":
* pools that stay constant (wordlist,...)
* pools that show variability like our traffic-curves (Comm::Connections)
* pools that increase minimally (starting at 80% of current KB 2 days ago) 
(ip_cache_entry, LRU_policy_node)
* pool that increases a bit (starting at 35% of current KB 2days ago) 
fqdncache_entry
* Pools that increase a lot (starting at below 20% of the currend KB 2 days 
ago) - which are (sorted from Biggest to smallest KB footprint):
** mem_node
** 4K Buffer
** Short Strings
** HttpHeaderEntry
** 2K Buffer
** 16K Buffer
** 8K Buffer
** Http Reply
** Mem Object
** Medium Strings
** cbdata BodyPipe (39)
** HttpHdrCc
** cbdata MemBuff(13)
** 32K Buffer
** Long Strings

So there must be something that links all of those in the last group together.

If you again look at the delta of the % between hours one can find that most of 
those show again a "traffic-curve" pattern in the increase (which is the wavy 
part I was talking about earlier)
All of the pools in this specific group show (again) similar behavior with 
similar ratios.

So it seems to me as we keeping too much information in our cache, which never 
gets evicted - as I had said earlier: my guess would be the extra info to 
manage "Vary" possibly related to some cleanup processes not evicting all the 
"related" objects in cache...

This is when I started to look at some other variation reported in other values.

So here the values of "StoreEntries" for the last few days:
20140709-020001:        1472007 StoreEntries
20140710-020001:        1475545 StoreEntries
20140711-020001:        1478025 StoreEntries
20140712-020001:        1480771 StoreEntries
20140713-020001:        1481721 StoreEntries
20140714-020001:        1482608 StoreEntries
These stayed almost constant...

But looking at " StoreEntries with MemObjects" the picture is totally different.
20140709-020001:        128542 StoreEntries with MemObjects
20140710-020001:        275923 StoreEntries with MemObjects
20140711-020001:        387990 StoreEntries with MemObjects
20140712-020001:        489994 StoreEntries with MemObjects
20140713-020001:        571872 StoreEntries with MemObjects
20140714-020001:        651560 StoreEntries with MemObjects

And "on disk objects":
20140709-020001:        1470163 on-disk objects
20140710-020001:        1472215 on-disk objects
20140711-020001:        1473671 on-disk objects
20140712-020001:        1475614 on-disk objects
20140713-020001:        1475933 on-disk objects
20140714-020001:        1476291 on-disk objects
(constant again)

And " Hot Object Cache Items":
20140709-020001:        128532 Hot Object Cache Items
20140710-020001:        275907 Hot Object Cache Items
20140711-020001:        387985 Hot Object Cache Items
20140712-020001:        489989 Hot Object Cache Items
20140713-020001:        571862 Hot Object Cache Items
20140714-020001:        651556 Hot Object Cache Items

So if you look at the finer details and traffic pattern we again see that 
traffic pattern for:
* storeEntries with MemObjects
* Hot Object Cache Items

And these show similar behavior to the pools mentioned above.
The other 2 types stay fairly constant and also decrease in count.

So maybe all this gives additional evidence which objects are using so much 
more memory.

Did this give any hints?

Do you want to see any other data gathered?

Martin


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