Paul, Is there a SM roadmap published somewhere?
We are very open to discuss some of the things we have done here at Webmail.us. And we are very interested in helping the SM community push the software forward. Much of our work with the squirrelmail source has been focused on adding two things: (1) Style sheet customization and interface enhancements for our customers, and (2) DHTML/javascript usability enhancements. Both these go against the minimal browser requirements and non-javascript direction of the squirrelmail project. But I am sure many of the features we plan to add to our build are inline with where you and the SM community are heading. Bill Boebel Webmail.us TEST1 p dont thinkTEST2 > > > Hi Paul, > > > > We put this page online the night you contacted us, and the day before >> our > > official announcements: > > > > http://www.webmail.us/open-source > > Apparently I didn't look hard enough. > > > FYI- this page is one click from our home page. It is the landing page >> of > > our �Partners� section. Again, let me know if this is the type of > > recognition you�re looking for, or what else I can do to help. > > As far as I am concerned, this is wonderful. To be on the first page > that shows from clicking "Partners" is quite prominent. Others may have > different opinions, but I thank you for this kind of placement and again > want to apologize for having jumped the gun and misread you and your > company. > > > We�ll also be putting something similar on our corporate web site > > (www.excedent.com). > > Excellent! > > > Paul, I have no problem giving credit to your team and the open source > > community. I think the work you�ve done is great and we�re proud to be > > affiliated with you all. It�s not something we try to hide. Keep in >> mind > > that I gave all that info to InfoWorld� it wasn�t something they came >> up > > with by themselves. > > I realize that, thus my indictment of companies who won't act similarly. > Obviously, we Open Source developers cannot demand (and would be > loathe to even think about doing so) anything from the users of our > software, however, I hope the reasons are clear why you have set an > example that should be followed more often. > > Thanks again, > > Paul > > > I will pass your info onto my CTO and VP of Product Development. I > > appreciate your response and again, feel free to come back to me with > > anything else. > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > Pat > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "p dont think" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sat, November 6, 2004 8:16 pm > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Webmail.us & SquirrelMail [was Re: [SM-USERS] Infoworld >> Article] > > > > Pat, > > > > FYI, I am cc'ing this to the SquirrelMail-Users mailing list. > > > > Pat Matthews wrote: > > > > > >>Hi Paul, > >> > >>Thanks again for pointing out the comments today about Webmail.us. > >>There are, however, quite a few things that I would personally like > >>to make you aware of. > >> > >>First of all, I absolutely appreciate the hard work you and your team > >>have done on the SquirrelMail project. You all have built a great > >>product and the number of businesses and service providers that use > >>it evidences that. > > > > > > Many thanks. > > > > > >>I apologize that it currently looks like we�re not giving any credit > >>to you and your team for your work. Unfortunately (or fortunately, > >>I�m not sure which), the InfoWorld article went out a few days before > >>we were making our official announcements about our adoption of > >>SquirrelMail and the upgrades to our services. Needless to say, > >>we�ve got many web site changes in store for the announcement. > >> > >>Starting tomorrow (or late tonight), you will see several links to > >>SquirrelMail and some of the other open source organizations we are > >>working with. Once we have that online, I would be happy to hear > >>your feedback and take your direction as to how else you would like > >>to be portrayed on our web sites. > > > > > > I have waited several days, and I still don't see a single mention of > > SquirrelMail on webmail.us. I presume your updates are still in the > > offing. If this is in fact the case, I appologize for having jumped the > > gun (or maybe InfoWorld should :) ). > > > > I should also point out that at least there was *some* acknowledgment on > > your part (even if through InfoWorld) about using our product -- that > > made you an easy target, but we all know that there are *many* more > > companies who use SquirrelMail without ever contacting us, giving us > > credit, and so forth. I sure wish *those* companies would step up and > > throw us some crumbs of acknowledgment, if nothing else. At least > > Webmail.us has taken a small step in that direction. Thank you for >> that. > > > > > >>I would also like the opportunity to see how we can work together in > >>the future. To date, the majority of our work around the > >>SquirrelMail software has been heavy customization of the interface. > >>However, we have a number of things planned for the future, which we > >>may be able to work jointly with the SquirrelMail community on. > >>Perhaps I could put you in touch with those involved with our ongoing > >>webmail R&D. Would you be interested? > > > > > > Absolutely. The best way to coordinate such work would be to have your > > developers participate in one of our mailing lists (as dictated by the > > nature of the work -- usually the devel or plugins lists), but they are > > also free to contact me personally. > > > > Thanks, Pat. > > > > - Paul Lesneiwski > > > > > > > >>Thank you, > >> > >>- Pat > >> > >>PS... feel free to post this to your list, I'm perfectly fine with > >>that. > >> > >>Patrick M. Matthews Chief Executive Officer Excedent Technologies, > >>Inc. Virginia Tech Alumni > >> > >>Read or subscribe to my blog: http://patmatthews.typepad.com > >> > >>866.EXCEDENT X 80 703.338.3600 (Cell) 703.991.4441 (Fax) > >>http://www.excedent.com http://www.webmail.us > >> > >>Virginia Tech Corporate Research Center 2000 Kraft Drive, Suite 1300 > >>Blacksburg, VA 24060 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > Original thread is as follows: > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > >>Thought everyone might be interested in this Infoworld article: > >> > >>>http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/10/29/HNwebmail_1.html > >>> > >>>It describes Webmail.us' recent conversion from Windows proprietary > >>> systems to Open Source software like RedHat Linux, Postfix, > >>>Squirrelmail, ClamAV and Courier. Great to see this kind of > >>>publicity for Squirrelmail and other open source projects. Maybe > >>>in the future we'll get further details as to their setup, > >>>migration process, load balancing and issues they've faced. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the link. This is very interesting to me for a couple of > > reasons: > > > > At first glance, I wasn't sure they were yet using SquirrelMail, but in > > fact, viewing their code shows that they are in fact offering their >> users > > a highly-bastardized version of SM. This is great for SM, except that > > beside a quick almost in-passing mention in the InfoWorld article, there > > is no other mention of SM *anywhere* (that I could find). No thanks, no > > touting, no credit, no nothing. > > > > Further, Webmail.us has done a lot of things with the SM code that would > > never be acceptable for the SM core (or even for plugins), but on the > > other hand, they've done a lot with look and feel as well as usability, > > and made several modifications to several plugins that, even if not >> usable > > as is for general release, would be *very* helpful to take a look at. > > That is, they took our product and put it into production... the least > > they could do (beside give us a little credit) is to share some of the > > modifications and fixes they've made. Isn't that in the spirit of the > > "movement"? They took; shouldn't they give back, too? I read pretty >> much > > every email that comes across the SM lists, and I sure haven't seen > > anything... > > > > Don't get me wrong - this is exciting for SM, and it sure gives my heart >> a > > little blip to see my own code on the screen when looking at their >> system, > > but I also can't help but feel a little burn when I think about the > > endless (unpaid) hours I (we) put into this and the fact that companies > > like this don't even make contact with us, don't even give us credit, > > never mind give anything back to us: donations, code fixes/mods, > > thanks.... > > > > This is probably just the nature of how profit-oriented companies use >> Open > > Source to their advantage. The sword is clearly double-edged. > > > > > > > > > > - Pat > > > > > > Patrick M. Matthews > > Chief Executive Officer > > Excedent Technologies, Inc. > > Virginia Tech Alumni > > 866.EXCEDENT X 80 > > 703.338.3600 (Cell) > > 703.991.4441 (Fax) > > http://www.excedent.com > > http://www.webmail.us > > > > Read or subscribe to my blog: > > http://patmatthews.typepad.com > > > > Mailing Address: > > Virginia Tech Corporate Research Center > > 2000 Kraft Drive, Suite 1300 > > Blacksburg, VA 24060 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idU88&alloc_id065&op=click > -- > squirrelmail-users mailing list > Posting Guidelines: > http://squirrelmail.org/wiki/wiki.php?MailingListPostingGuidelines > List Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > List Archives: > http://news.gmane.org/thread.php?group=gmane.mail.squirrelmail.user > List Archives: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id)95 > List Info: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/squirrelmail-users > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idU88&alloc_id065&op=click -- squirrelmail-users mailing list Posting Guidelines: http://squirrelmail.org/wiki/wiki.php?MailingListPostingGuidelines List Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Archives: http://news.gmane.org/thread.php?group=gmane.mail.squirrelmail.user List Archives: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id)95 List Info: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/squirrelmail-users
