< [..] >> Contacting admins is very difficult. I tried it out and got no response >> at all. > > Hrm, can you give us a time you tried so I can go back through my archives > and see if I can find it?
From: "Qv90" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: Mo, 9.01.2006, 19:24 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regarding project SM-Plugins Von: "Jam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: Mo, 9.01.2006, 19:54 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regarding Project SquirrelMail > [..] >> always update the tickets, bugs are fixed all the time. Watch the CVS >> lists. One comment on CVS: For SM users is is useless: According to your own rules, CVS code is not stable, may change from day to day and is not supported at all. I tried CVS 1.5.1 and posted already a couple of month ago code that enables SM to do password chages using "passwd". Not yet added (may in 1.5.2 or so). Since I'm located in Germany I'd to provide a german interface. squirrelmai.po was not changed in CVS. I was willing to do the translation but was stopped with the same arguments as mentioned above (not stable...). Lessons learned: Never work with CVS code. > Okay, it's a new year, well 3 months into it. What do you think we can do > to improve? If you have references to your old ideas, that'd be great. > We are always looking to improve things. We are currently working on a > new website, bug tracker, and documentation to name just a few things, so > we are certainly interested in feedback on what we can improve on. > Do not only maintain CVS. Offer us a stable base version AND bug fixes. Accept users input (like code pieces) in a forum. Use this code as an inspriration for SM enhancements. Use my site as an inspiration :-). Take one moment to think ybout this: After installing SM 1.4.6 and installing a couple of plugins, I'd to apply 16 patches to get SM into a stable productive version. The plugins installed are only those desperately requested the the SM users. Additionally I'd to apply 9 translation patches because of the poor internationalization support in those plugins (and I hope, the users will never ask for other translations than into German...) >> Then I tried to post them (including a solution proposal) on bug tracker >> and... nothing happend. Okok, you may argue 3 month on bug tracker is not This is a typo - to be honest, it was only two month... >> a long time, but for me as an user who has to work with buggy code for >> over a year it IS quite a long time... > > Which bug tracker did you post to? Unfortunately, not all plugin admins > look at the SM bug tracker. Good question. On sourceforge you'll find Plugins, SM-Plugins and SM project. After searching around (and that is also a nasty task for users), I decided to use http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=311&atid=423692. Search for QV90 > [..] > > If the plugin developer doesn't have time to maintain it any more, there > are certainly plenty of people to take over development, you for example. > [..] No, I disagree. I'm already a plugin developer. I followed once agin your rules and send out a mail (off list) to all plugin maintainer. I wanted to bug fix their plugins if they don't answer until March 15th. Bad approach. It was stopped immediatly with a NO-GO. No chance to modify any existing plugin until the current maintainer dies or a SM developper (whoever) think someone else should take over the plugin maintenance. Since I only wanted to apply bug fixes and not to take over responsibility, I'd no choice. I stopped this approach and started working on SM Patch Forum... > >> If you take a closer look at the official provided plugins, you'll see, >> they does not follow the coding guidelines as well. > > Quite possibly. Which ones, we'll get them fixed. > See above - you can't. If you still want more information, take a look at all those plugins currently available on Plugin patch forum at http://www.qv90.de?sqm (please take care of the translations files too). Most of them are tagged as bug fixes. >[..] > duplication, in my opinion, is a waste. If patches, fixes, and such are > all kept in one location, that's great. That might be something worth > considering for the new SM site (not to steel your idea of course). I hate duplication too, but had no choice. The available tools at sourceforge.net or squirrelmail.org does not solve any of my ideas and whishes. You welcome to "steel" any of my ideas if it helps SM to improve! >[..] > There will always be bugs, that is undeniable. Interaction between > plugins will always be an issue because not everybody uses all > combinations, it makes testing very difficult. Yes I know... >[..] > Okay, I'll cite another example. A few months ago, 3 people posted about > the same bug... on the same day. You don't have to "dig" through the > archives to see the information from that day to see the same issue. They > even included almost identital subjects. When I started using SM and stumbled over the first bugs, I'd to search gmane for many hours and sometimes still ended up posting my questions on list. This migth have changed in the last months. > > In general, it only makes it easier for us (you, me, Paul, etc) in general > as we can say "click here". My comment was that people aren't going to > bother looking at a patch site, and waste their time, when they can send a > quick email, and have somebody else give them the answers. Unfortunately > that's the way it is. Always has been, and probably always will be. > Uuh... I think you sould differentiate a bit more. There are users out who tries first to find an solution and only ends up on mailing list. Anyway, I think we should always try to give us all room for improvements by offering additional or new ways to find answers to the questions. Live long and prosper Florian Squirrelmail patch forum http://www.qv90.de?sqm ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 -- squirrelmail-users mailing list Posting Guidelines: http://www.squirrelmail.org/wiki/MailingListPostingGuidelines List Address: squirrelmail-users@lists.sourceforge.net List Archives: http://news.gmane.org/thread.php?group=gmane.mail.squirrelmail.user List Archives: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=2995 List Info: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/squirrelmail-users
