Olle E. Johansson writes:

 > I keep wondering, why doesn't people like us start working more in the  
 > IETF and change stuff? Are we not patience enough, are we not  
 > brilliant enough?

ietf sip wg was taken over by ims guys already many years ago.  all they
seem to do is rubber stamp ims specifications to make them look like
internet stuff.

-- juha

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