I hear you. Neither am I and I never will be. But it won't stop me from playing with toy steam trains. It's a "Catch 22". If you have a sparkie model steam loco, you can detail it to the nines but it's still not a steam engine anyway you look at it. On the other hand, with a model steam engine, there's no way you can scale the details of the inside cab, tender or whatever, due to the mechanisms involved to make it work in a controllable manner. BTW, have you seen the Faberge Egg with the wind up scale model of the Siberian Express in it that actually runs? I don't think you could build a live steamer this small. But I don't wanna start another beer brawl over it. (Smiles) Lee -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 3:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Units I am not, and never have, considered myself a modeler or a miniaturist. I feel that the level of frustration produced by such endeavors are not worth the effort -- as far as I am concerned, there never has been and never will be, a true "scale model" of anything UNTIL you come up with a way to make scale atoms and molecules! Nuff said, now lets just have fun playing with these fascinating little critters, no matter how you measure them! Keep your steam up! Walt & Mr. Lunkenheimer