On Oct 18, 2025, at 04:41, Erichans <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you. You're running a normal pkg version, which is good to know—it could > have been a development version, considering you're on FreeBSD 16. > I wasn't sure whether posting results from running -CURRENT on the > stable mailing list was intentional.
At this point main 16 with kernel.GENERIC-NODEBUG and stable/15 are not all that distinct. > I’m aware there are substantial differences between your environment > and mine—one being that you're running pkg on the armv7 architecture. I also have access to amd64 and aarch64 contexts. The armv7 context in question is the only one not based on using an official-pkgbase'd install/upgrade-sequence: an *-arm-armv7-GENERICSD-*.img.xz instead, not converted to pkgbase (yet?). My other report that was for a pkgbase context was not for on the armv7. > I'm not intimately familiar with all the differences between a packaged base > and a conventional base. > > Regarding 15.0-BETA1 and the oddity you mentioned, I’ve encountered similar > issues—see PR 289216 and PR 289455—all on release versions. So that is at least 3 folks that have reported examples. (Graham Perrin made a confirmation reply to one of my messages.) These seem likely to be problems with the upstream pkg instead of with FreeBSD pkg configuration files used with the pkg port-package. That means that the versions of pkg are more likely important than the versions of FreeBSD. So it looks like the information needs to go in: https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues So far as I know, your bugzilla submittals are the earliest reports with the earliest versions of pkg noted. References to such should be part of the notes in https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues . [Supplying full URLs to what you reference: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=289216 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=289455 ] Looks like you report that the type of issue goes back to at least pkg 2.2.1 --and continues in pkg 2.3.1 for you, not just for me and Graham. > Things don’t seem > to have changed. For example, on my 15.0-BETA1 a disabled FreeBSD-ports-kmods > repository is unexpectedly not printed by pkg repositories or similar > pkg -vv command, > which seems in line with your findings: > > [0-0] % date -u; uname -apKU; pkg -v > Sat Oct 18 11:40:49 UTC 2025 > FreeBSD q210 15.0-BETA1 FreeBSD 15.0-BETA1 > releng/15.0-n280674-f6751f1fc5a9 GENERIC amd64 amd64 1500067 1500067 > 2.3.1 > [1-0] % grep -h '^[^#].*' /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/*conf > FreeBSD-ports: { > url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest";, > enabled: yes, > priority: 0, > mirror_type: "SRV", > signature_type: "FINGERPRINTS", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg" > } > FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { > url: > "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/kmods_latest_${VERSION_MINOR}";, > enabled: no, > priority: 0, > mirror_type: "SRV", > signature_type: "FINGERPRINTS", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg" > } > FreeBSD-base: { > url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_release_${VERSION_MINOR}";, > mirror_type: "srv", > signature_type: "fingerprints", > fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", > enabled: yes > } > [2-0] % pkg -vv | sed -nE -e '/OSVERSION|ABI/ p' -e '/^Repositories:/,$ p' > IGNORE_OSVERSION = true; > ABI = "FreeBSD:15:amd64"; > ALTABI = "freebsd:15:x86:64"; > OSVERSION = "1500067"; > Repositories: > FreeBSD-ports: { > url : "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/latest";, > enabled : yes, > priority : 0, > mirror_type : "SRV", > signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", > fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" > } > FreeBSD-base: { > url : > "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_release_0";, > enabled : yes, > priority : 0, > mirror_type : "SRV", > signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", > fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" > } > [3-0] % pkg repositories -d -e > FreeBSD-ports: { > url : "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/latest";, > enabled : yes, > priority : 0, > mirror_type : "SRV", > signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", > fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" > } > FreeBSD-base: { > url : > "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_release_0";, > enabled : yes, > priority : 0, > mirror_type : "SRV", > signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", > fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" > } > [4-0] % > > > Eric > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 3:17 PM Mark Millard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Oct 17, 2025, at 03:24, Erichans <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I cannot reproduce your behaviour on my BETA1. >>> What pkg are you running? >> >> # pkg -v >> 2.3.1 >> >>> As a comparison, on 15-BETA1 (amd64, pkgbasified), >> >> Reminder: this report was for a non-pkgbasified context doing >> operations that do not install/upgrade or the like, just >> rquery, search, and version. >> >> (I sent a separate notice to the lists for another oddity >> for a pkgbase'd context and that got an independent >> confirmation. Turns out that oddity also happened here. >> More later below.) >> >>> all seems as >>> expected; see below. >> >> In a different type of context than I tested and reported >> on. >> >>> Eric >>> >>> [0-0] # date -u; uname -apKU; pkg -v >>> Fri Oct 17 09:45:53 UTC 2025 >>> FreeBSD q210 15.0-BETA1 FreeBSD 15.0-BETA1 >>> releng/15.0-n280655-36a923a476dc GENERIC amd64 amd64 1500067 1500067 >>> 2.3.1 >>> [1-0] # pkg repos -e -d >>> FreeBSD-ports: { >>> url : "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/latest";, >>> enabled : yes, >>> priority : 0, >>> mirror_type : "SRV", >>> signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", >>> fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" >>> } >> >> My context has a locally built ports repository >> enabled (main-armv7-default), not FreeBSD-ports. >> But FreeBSD-ports is explicitly disabled. >> >> I do have packages from main-armv7-default installed, >> including pkg itself: >> >> # pkg info pkg >> pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg bootstrap -f" >> recommended >> pkg-2.3.1 >> Name : pkg >> Version : 2.3.1 >> Installed on : Wed Oct 15 21:24:37 2025 PDT >> Origin : ports-mgmt/pkg >> Architecture : FreeBSD:16:armv7 >> Prefix : /usr/local >> Categories : ports-mgmt >> Licenses : BSD2CLAUSE >> Maintainer : [email protected] >> WWW : https://github.com/freebsd/pkg >> Comment : Package manager >> Options : >> DOCS : on >> Shared Libs required: >> libarchive.so.7 >> libc.so.7 >> libcrypto.so.35 >> libelf.so.2 >> libgcc_s.so.1 >> libjail.so.1 >> libm.so.5 >> libssl.so.35 >> libthr.so.3 >> libutil.so.10 >> libz.so.6 >> Shared Libs provided: >> libpkg.so.4 >> Annotations : >> FreeBSD_version: 1600000 >> build_timestamp: 2025-09-14T00:45:39+00:00 >> built_by : poudriere-git-3.4.99.20250724 >> port_checkout_unclean: no >> port_git_hash : e8009782a2b6 >> ports_top_checkout_unclean: yes >> ports_top_git_hash: 7e86a0d71167 >> repo_type : binary >> repository : main-armv7-default >> Flat size : 45.2MiB >> Description : >> Package management tool >> >>> FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { >>> url : "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/kmods_latest_0";, >>> enabled : yes, >>> priority : 0, >>> mirror_type : "SRV", >>> signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", >>> fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" >>> } >> >> My context has has nothing analogous to >> FreeBSD-ports-kmods enabled but instead >> explicitly disables it (and FreeBSD-ports): >> >> # cat /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf >> # >> # To disable a repository, instead of modifying or removing this file, >> # create a /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf file, e.g.: >> # >> # mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos >> # echo "FreeBSD-ports: { enabled: no }" > >> /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf >> # echo "FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { enabled: no }" >> >> /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf >> # >> >> FreeBSD-base: { >> url: "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/base_latest";, >> mirror_type: "srv", >> signature_type: "fingerprints", >> fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", >> enabled: no >> } >> >> FreeBSD-ports: { >> url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest";, >> mirror_type: "srv", >> signature_type: "fingerprints", >> fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", >> enabled: yes >> } >> FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { >> url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/kmods_latest";, >> mirror_type: "srv", >> signature_type: "fingerprints", >> fingerprints: "/usr/share/keys/pkg", >> enabled: yes >> } >> >> # cat /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf >> # >> # To disable a repository, instead of modifying or removing this file, >> # create a /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf file, e.g.: >> # >> # mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos >> # echo "FreeBSD-ports: { enabled: no }" > >> /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf >> # echo "FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { enabled: no }" >> >> /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf >> # >> >> #FreeBSD-base: { enabled: yes } >> FreeBSD-ports: { enabled: no } >> FreeBSD-ports-kmods: { enabled: no } >> >> >> Noteably, "pkg repos" does not list the >> FreeBSD-ports-kmods at all (as either -d or -e). >> I preprduced this in a pkgbase context and is >> what I reported separately for that context. >> >> >> # cat /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/main-armv7-default.conf >> main-armv7-default: { >> url: "file:///usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/main-armv7-default", >> mirror_type: "none", >> enabled: yes >> } >> >>> FreeBSD-base: { >>> url : "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:15:amd64/base_release_0";, >>> enabled : no, >>> priority : 0, >>> mirror_type : "SRV", >>> signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", >>> fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" >>> } >> >> This one is analogous to what I reported, but I have >> base_latest instead of base_release_0 . >> >>> [2-0] # pkg rquery -r FreeBSD-base '%R %o %n %v' FreeBSD-src >>> FreeBSD-base base/FreeBSD-src FreeBSD-src 15.0.b1.20251016034928 >>> [3-0] # pkg update -r FreeBSD-base >>> Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue... >>> FreeBSD-base is up to date. >>> [4-0] # pkg rquery -r FreeBSD-base '%R %o %n %v' FreeBSD-src >>> FreeBSD-base base/FreeBSD-src FreeBSD-src 15.0.b1.20251016034928 >>> [5-0] # pkg search -r FreeBSD-base FreeBSD-src >>> FreeBSD-src-15.0.b1.20251016034928 System userland source code >>> FreeBSD-src-sys-15.0.b1.20251015211959 System kernel source code >>> [6-0] # pkg version -r FreeBSD-base -n FreeBSD-src >>> Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue... >>> FreeBSD-base is up to date. >>> FreeBSD-src-15.0.b1.20251016034928 = >>> [7-0] # >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mark Millard" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Colin Percival" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: "Patrick M. Hausen" <[email protected]>, "FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing >>> List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, 16 October, 2025 23:16:53 >>> Subject: Re: PKGBASE upgrade from ALPHAxx to BETAxx >>> >>> On Oct 16, 2025, at 11:55, Mark Millard <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Oct 16, 2025, at 11:04, Colin Percival <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 10/16/25 10:49, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: >>>>>>> Am 16.10.2025 um 19:44 schrieb Mark Millard <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> To my knowledge, /etc/pkg/ only has files that are expected to >>>>>>> apply to all systems, no matter how installed/updated. Also, >>>>>>> the files in /etc/pkg/ are expected to not be edited. The >>>>>>> overriding text goes in files in /usr/local/etc/pkg/respos/ >>>>>>> instead. (Technically such are conventions, not requirements, >>>>>>> but they fit with FreeBSD update processes in a particular way.) >>>>>> I follow that argument. >>>>>> But isn't pkgbase supposed to be the new normal starting with 15.0? >>>>>> Sorry for the noise if I confused that. Then it will land in >>>>>> /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf in 16? >>>>> >>>>> I'm planning on putting a "FreeBSD-base" repository configuration into >>>>> /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf in 15. >>>>> . . . >>>>> It will be disabled by default, in order >>>>> to avoid "pkg delete -af" problems, but "pkg upgrade -r FreeBSD-base" >>>>> should work out of the box. >>>> >>>> Had I known such, various of my testing activities would >>>> have been different. >>>> >>>> Looks like commands that handle the explicit reference to >>>> a disabled repository are documented as including: >>>> >>>> /usr/local/share/man/man8/pkg-install.8.gz: Install packages from only the >>>> named repository, irrespective >>>> /usr/local/share/man/man8/pkg-rquery.8.gz: irrespective of the configured >>>> “enabled” status from repo.conf. >>>> /usr/local/share/man/man8/pkg-search.8.gz: irrespective of the configured >>>> “enabled” status from >>>> /usr/local/share/man/man8/pkg-update.8.gz: update only the named >>>> repository, irrespective of the configured >>>> /usr/local/share/man/man8/pkg-upgrade.8.gz: Install packages from only the >>>> named repository, irrespective >>>> /usr/local/share/man/man8/pkg-version.8.gz: the named repository only, >>>> irrespective of the configured >>>> >>>> Later I'll do some exploration of that. >>>> >>>> I'll note that "man pkg-fetch" does not say that it does such: >>>> >>>> -r reponame, --repository reponame >>>> Fetches packages from the given reponame if multiple repo >>>> support is enabled. See pkg.conf(5). >>>> >>>>> The reasons this hasn't happened yet have to do with release engineering >>>>> processes and setting up the systems for building updates securely. >>> >>> rquery, search, and version to not manipulate the >>> sets of base or port packages, so testing those >>> but being will to use "pkg update" . . . >>> >>> Hmm. "pkg rquery" and "pkg search" and "pkg version" >>> do not seem to work as described. The context here is >>> a USB media with an armv7 snapshot image based temporary >>> system, not something that is (yet?) a pkgbase'd >>> nstallation. I added the disabled FreeBSD-base and have >>> a enabled local port-package repository. >> >> Above is where I indicated that the context was >> "not something that is (yet?) a pkgbase'd >> [i]nstallation". (It is still not pkgbased.) >> >>> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:16:armv7/base_latest/ >>> >>> is populated, as is base_weekly/ . But latest/ and >>> quarterly/ and the rest are not yet. >>> >>> # uname -apKU >>> FreeBSD RPi2Bv1p1 16.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 16.0-CURRENT #0 >>> main-n281019-0dc634d48fcc: Fri Oct 10 00:15:55 UTC 2025 >>> [email protected]:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm.armv7/sys/GENERIC >>> arm armv7 1600001 1600001 >>> >>> # pkg repos -e >>> pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg >>> bootstrap -f" recommended >>> main-armv7-default: { >>> url : "file:///usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/main-armv7-default", >>> enabled : yes, >>> priority : 0 >>> } >>> >>> # pkg repos -d >>> pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg >>> bootstrap -f" recommended >>> FreeBSD-base: { >>> url : "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:16:armv7/base_latest";, >>> enabled : no, >>> priority : 0, >>> mirror_type : "SRV", >>> signature_type : "FINGERPRINTS", >>> fingerprints : "/usr/share/keys/pkg" >>> } >>> >>> # whoami >>> root >>> >>> >>> # pkg rquery -r FreeBSD-base %n-%v FreeBSD-src >>> pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg >>> bootstrap -f" recommended >>> pkg: Repository FreeBSD-base cannot be opened. 'pkg update' required >>> >>> # pkg update -r FreeBSD-base >>> pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg >>> bootstrap -f" recommended >>> Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue... >>> FreeBSD-base is up to date. >>> >>> # pkg rquery -r FreeBSD-base %n-%v FreeBSD-src >>> pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg >>> bootstrap -f" recommended >>> pkg: Repository FreeBSD-base cannot be opened. 'pkg update' required >>> >>> # pkg search -r FreeBSD-base FreeBSD-src >>> pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg >>> bootstrap -f" recommended >>> pkg: Repository FreeBSD-base cannot be opened. 'pkg update' required >>> >>> # pkg version -r FreeBSD-base -n FreeBSD-src >>> pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg >>> bootstrap -f" recommended >>> Updating FreeBSD-base repository catalogue... >>> FreeBSD-base is up to date. >>> pkg: Repository FreeBSD-base cannot be opened. 'pkg update' required >>> >>> >>> But, for example, . . . >>> >>> # man pkg-rquery >>> PKG-RQUERY(8) FreeBSD System Manager's Manual PKG-RQUERY(8) >>> >>> NAME >>> pkg rquery – query information from remote repositories >>> >>> SYNOPSIS >>> pkg rquery -I|query-format pkg-name >>> pkg rquery [-aU] [-r reponame] -I|query-format >>> pkg rquery [-U] [-Cgix] [-e evaluation-condition] [-r reponame] >>> -I|query-format pattern ... >>> >>> . . . >>> >>> OPTIONS >>> The following options are supported by pkg rquery: >>> >>> . . . >>> >>> -r reponame, --repository reponame >>> Query for data about packages from only the named repository, >>> irrespective of the configured “enabled” status from repo.conf. >>> By default, catalogues for all enabled repositories are queried. >>> >>> . . . >>> >>> >>> >>> So, the above behavior is not obvious to me from >>> the documentation. > === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com
