On Jul 1, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 1 July 2011 12:12, Stefane Fermigier <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Jul 1, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Stefane Fermigier <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> ...I'm discussing this in the context of the Stanbol and IKS projects, not >>>> in an abstract way.... >>> >>> If you want to discuss those things here as opposed to at >>> [email protected], best might be for you to start specific >>> new threads on each topic (nofollow attribute, companies funding >>> projects etc) to keep those discussions focused. >> >> Not sure we need three threads. There are basically 3 short questions: >> >> Question 1: do you admit that Stanbol is funded in part (to the amount of >> EUR 10M) by the EU and some specific companies and organizations? >> >> My answer: +1 > > -1 > > Some developers
*Most* developers > who happen Why "who happen" ? Why make it like a coincidence ? We don't "happen" to be working, we're working for a reason, because we have a contract with the EU. > to work on Stanbol are funded by an EU > project. And by the companies who are members of this project. I'm starting to wonder why you keep forgetting this simple fact. > The Stanbol project itself is not funded by anyone. Of course it is. You're just playing with words. Ask the EU, ask the IKS board, ask the developers. > >> Question 2: are you a "volunteer" on this project ? >> >> My answer: I'm not. I'm paid to work on this project. > > I am a volunteer. I'm speaking about people who are contributing to the project (code base). > I get paid for my time, but I choose, of my own free will to volunteer > here in order to satisfy the needs of my employer. 1. You seem to be your own employer (with another partner), so you're once again playing with words. 2. IKS project members (hence the majority of the contributors to Stanbol at this point) are working on the project because they have a work contract with a company (or organization) that has a contract with the EU (or indirectly with Salzburg Research). > Your definition of yourself as a volunteer is based entirely on the > fact that you are paid. this is a very narrow view of what a volunteer > is. For example Wikipedia says "people also volunteer for their own > skill development, to meet others, to make contacts for possible > employment, to have fun, and a variety of other reasons that could be > considered self-serving." Given the current market condition for software developers, no one can be forced to work on Stanbol if they didn't want to, and those who do work on Stanbol probably have a lot of fun doing so. By your definition, as soon as someone's having fun doing some work, they are a volunteer and money is out of the equation ? Bullshit. This is an orthogonal concept. But given that you originally claimed "we ignore money, everyone's a volunteer", in this context, I'm reminding you of the huge amount of money that is involved in this project, and that most people working on this project are paid to do so. > That pretty much captures the reasons I am here as a volunteer. > >> Question 3: Do you want rel="nofollow" attributes on links pointing to your >> company website in the credits page? > > No > > It is standard practice across the ASF to *not* provide follow links. Standard by written nowhere, as far as I can tell (and Google). S. -- Stefane Fermigier, Founder and Chairman, Nuxeo Open Source, Java EE based, Enterprise Content Management (ECM) http://www.nuxeo.com/ - +33 1 40 33 79 87 - http://twitter.com/sfermigier Join the Nuxeo Group on LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/groups?gid=43314 New Nuxeo release: http://nuxeo.com/dm54 "There's no such thing as can't. You always have a choice."
